November scenarios
 

I think that the winner of the election in November will depend mostly on whom McCain chooses as his running mate.

If McCain doesn’t have an evangelical running mate, he won’t have anything to counter the black vote in the South. This means that Obama will win regardless of whom his running mate is.

I think a McCain/Huckabee ticket would beat any Obama ticket that didn’t include Clinton. Evangelicals would outvote blacks in the South and Democrats in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and West Virginia would resent not having Clinton on the ticket, so McCain would have a better than even chance of winning these states.

A McCain/Huckabee ticket would have a better than even chance of losing to an Obama/Clinton ticket because Obama would have a good chance of winning Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and West Virginia.

Welcome, Flaja.

Heck, it would beat any ticket that did include Clinton. Clinton's negatives are not merely political, they are personal, and they make working with her as your second banana something close to impossible. There's a whole nation out here that would greatly enjoy voting against Hillary -- as many times as she makes it necessary. They don't want a Saul Alinsky-trained, tax-and-spend-more-than-you've-got socialist, the Government is your mother and your father girl anywhere near the Oval Office, especially after the experience of having had one there during the Clinton years.

Or else you've got an electorate lobotomized by bread and circuses -- and need to replace it with a better electorate. Essentially, an electorate that prefers adult thinking.

I think it is less important who McCain chooses than who Obama chooses. A strong crossover VP for Obama will give him a good chance of winning if McCain does not choose Huckabee.

I think Obama should not choose Clinton as a running mate because she is very polarizing.

If he does not choose her, either she will back him or she won't. If she backs him, then he can count on the votes of most of her supporters. If she doesn't back him, then some of her supporters will stay home out of spite, but many will vote for Obama because he is closer to their ideal than McCain is. The feminists who supported Clinton are not going to want another conservative president appointing judges to the Supreme Court. They will vote for the lesser evil.

Obama should instead choose a candidate that is less polarizing, and is closer to the middle. I'm thinking Webb. Webb is strong on military and guns and used to be a Republican. He's the closest thing to a moderate that the Democrats have.

The thing about going to the middle, is that there are more voters in the middle than on the edges. Obama needs to go to the middle with the VP.

I agree. I really don't have any good ideas for him but I think he needs to choose someone with some experience in government. Maybe a state gov or someone like that.

Good point, Webb has no experience.

If you say so.

Ha! maybe he is a good choice!

"This is why, were I Obama, I would look at the left-liberal case against Webb - on the grounds that he's too anti-feminist, too pro-military, too skeptical about affirmative action and immigration, too hostile to Hollywood and academia - as an advertisement for the pick."

http://rossdouthat.theatlantic.com/a...ainst_webb.php

Last time a VP choice made a difference:
Kennedy selected Johnson.

Nixon chose Ford.

Reagan chose Bush Sr. Don't forget the VP is usually the presumptive nominee 8 years hence.

Cheyney chose Bush to be president. Hee, hee.

I'm thinking that it could be Ed Rendell, the governor of Pennsylvania. A Clinton supporter, popular in Appalachia. Could help force McCain to spend resources in states thought to be lock for the Republicans..

Actually Ed is more popular in urban PA, the hillbillies didn't vote for him in any great numbers. You could maybe scrape out a win that way, but Rendell looks, sounds, and acts like the kind of pol Obama is running against.

I'd like to learn more about Webb. He seems like a no bullshit guy.

Griff for Vice President.
He'll foil the goats on the fence.

Yea but for who, McCain or Obama or does it really matter? :D

Remember when Hill asked her supporters to 1968 her opponent? It wouldn't matter which VP slot...

However bottom line, if nominated I will refuse if elected I will not serve. I've got too many character flaws to be the master.

But, but, that hot babe selected you to be her VP, so you must have something going for you.;)

She has a weakness for my foibles.

The only way McCain can possibly win is if Obama choses his booger as his vice president.

I wouldn't sell the house on that bet just yet. Although you may be right and my gut tells me that Obama is going to win, it ain't over till Hillary cries uncle. :D

Obama and a crack whore would beat McCain and Jesus Christ himself even if they found a photo of Barack Obama raping a blind and deaf girlscout on top of a burning American flag while doing heroin.

Hilarious!!! I love to screw with my craigslist stalker. I'm pretty sure I know who it is. I know he trolls around this board and a few others and then he copies anything I've said and then posts it on craigslist if it happens to agree with anything someone else posted there as though that proves it's me.

The other day I saw someone post the blind and deaf girlscout line. It reminded me of something I said earlier about a dead girl or a live boy so I reposted it here, and the moron went crazy and posted it on craigslist.

How pathetic and predictable. I feel so powerful knowing that someone hangs on every word I say and that I can control his behavior so easily. It's like my very own little slave bitch. I emailed the person who he keeps accusing of being me, and he is enjoying this too. :)

I thought craigslist was an electronic yardsale, you know, a discount ebay?

No, it is that and more, see here, choose your city for a local flavor but it is everywhere:

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/

Seems like a pretty stupid way to stalk someone around unless you spend a lot of time on craigslist. Whateva..:3eye:

They've got a political discussion area I used to post at when I was running for office. I learned pretty quickly that it has genuinely crazy people who go there each and every single day. There's someone who posts about 100 anti-immigrant posts per day, someone who posts about police brutality in all caps every day, someone who goes into every single craigslist city's politics board and accuses everyone there who posts something they don't like of being a lawyer named "Gibson", they've got someone who accuses everyone who shares my political views of being me, they've got people who advertise their own blogs as though anyone cares what they've got to say, and they've got a whole bunch of Republican trolls who go there to pick fights. This is just the L.A. one. I had stopped even going there to read stuff until a friend told me someone was posting lies about me and accusing people of being me. Now I go there once or twice a day to see what's being said and to flag my stalker or any blatantly racist, anti-semetic, or other off topic posts I see. I've got a few friends who post on the L.A. board and let me know when someone starts accusing them of being me. I don't post because it doesn't do any good and it makes them even more angry when their posts disappear.

It's pretty boring. This board is infinitely better. There are only 2 or 3 trolls (Mercenary, UG, etc.) and they at least pretend to be libertarian.

:D Yea!!! :lol2:

Don’t get your hopes up that a ticket that has Hilary will be voted down just because it has Hilary. Anyone who insists that that there is a large anti-Hilary vote should remember that this country was stupid enough to put her husband in the Oval Office twice.

Who would Obama’s options be for gaining crossover votes? Could Obama put any kind of moderate on the Democrat ticket without alienating liberals?

If Obama puts Webb on the Democrat ticket, would Republicans, who don’t like McCain, vote for McCain anyway just to protest Webb’s party-hopping? Would anti-military, anti-gun Democrats vote 3rd party or stay home to protest Webb?

Not true.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...cially_liberal

As of November, 2007:

24% of Americans are fiscal and social conservatives.


17% of Americans are fiscal and social moderates.

14% are fiscal moderates and social liberals.
9% are fiscal and social liberals.

11% are fiscal moderates and social conservatives.
10% are fiscal conservatives and social liberals.


6% are fiscal conservatives and social liberals.

On fiscal and economic issues alone 43% of Americans are moderate while an almost equal number (41%) are conservative.

On social issues alone 30% of Americans are moderate and 30% are liberal while a greater number (37%) are conservative.

It is a myth that a majority of Americans are moderates. Fiscal-social conservatives make up the single largest component of American society. And 45% of Americans are conservative in some form or another, while only 42% are some form of moderate.

Ford was appointed Vice-President after Agnew resigned. Ford was never anybody’s VP running mate.

Not really.

I don’t know about the Democrats right off, but it wasn’t until 1956 that the Republicans re-nominated an incumbent VP- and I think Nixon in 1960 was the first time in history that the Republicans nominated an incumbent VP for president.

Furthermore, the 1976 Republican running mate, Bob Dole, wasn’t nominated for president for 20 years and neither Dan Quayle, nor Jack Kemp has ever been nominated for president. The same goes for Ferraro, Bentsen, Liberman abd Edwards for the Democrats.

H-i-l-l-a-r-y....

Really. Fool me once...

Personally, I'm happy the guy never offered me any reason to vote for him -- either time.

Sometime in the last century, I pulled a voting lever for a Democrat, maybe even for some national office that wasn't President. But I can't remember when. Definitely not in the Nineties, and we're getting done with the naughty-Oughties.