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Sad Reality
From a NSFW site in Australia.
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Oh, now I'm bawling. And I have to go see my new rad. onc. in half an hour!!
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Dick.
Thankfully I work alone so no one will see tears in my eyes. Yep, I'm a sap. |
Sad but accurate description of the problem and the current 'solution'. I spent 5 years at an animal shelter. One only learns to control the grief because getting over killing your beloved animal friends is impossible. And then there is the unfun of being the target of other animal lovers who blame shelter workers for the problem - none of the people I ever worked with contributed to the shelter's unwanted pet population - but screaming back at them does not help anyone. ::wipes eyes and sighs heavily::
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Someone should write a poem about this. SG? Shawnee? Salamander?
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I read, some time ago, about a shelter that this guy designated "no-kill." I'm not sure where it was, now, though it was a county shelter. He found other solutions somehow. I'm sure it would cost more, but it's a good thing. Then there is SICSA in Kettering, OH. I've been there, when I worked down in that area. Neat place! |
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This is why I decided, that, when I do get a puppy, I will definitely be adopting an abandoned one.
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Shelia, The hole digging wonder came from a vet. $50 bucks. Spayed, spaied??
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This is why I decided that, when I do get a puppy, I will definitely be adopting a dead one.
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A good friend of mine is an Animal Control Officer (dog catcher), in NJ. I never know what to expect at her house, other than her menagerie of dogs, cats, and birds. There is usually an assortment of critters she'd picked up that, are being nursed back to an adoptable condition. They may not be, but at least they'll, have a shot at it, rather than being put down (killed) right away. Don't tell anybody, but she sometimes finds homes for them instead of turning them in.
That's why on her birthday and Christmas, I put money on her vet bill. |
That made me teary. You need an emotional warning label on that one.
Heh- I had some acquaintances that worked at the humane society once. They kept adopting the dogs. They were pissed all the time. No wonder none of them work there anymore. That would be an incredibly difficult job. |
I wonder why black puppies aren't adoptable?
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I really don't wish to be rude because I have exactly the same feelings as all you above posted - it's just that I work with children with mental and behavouril handicaps but it often stikes me as odd how we as humans feel so intensly for the plight of puppies and kittens and little tortoises, birds etc when we steel our emotions for our own kind. I've seen hard men bawl like babies for a dead dog and stand dignified for a dead relative. Just asking anyone how do we do that? Why do we do that? It is an answer I need to understand if anyone could provide it I'd be grateful. Thanks.
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Because most people's relatives are jerks?
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Because the dog was man's best friend?
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Becouse dogs are better than people, it's a greater loss.
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Funny. Guys I'm serious - it's one of lifes things please comment usefully.
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-because it's socially acceptable to go ga-ga over pets; because one can't possibly expend emotional coin on every single injustice in the world; and because people are jerks, especially to each other, and animals usually aren't
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For the above reasons and more.
Dogs and small animals are helpless. We don't have mass state funding to care for them. We have to rely on the ability of people to neuter, to care about puppy mills, and stop putting cute baby animals in easter baskets. |
Now you just sound bitter Cloud, are you hanging on to you guns and religious beliefs? Shoot the dying pet and bury with all dignity the dead relative. Life is full of contradictions as far as I have witnessed. Once a friend of mine (in the U.K.) had his cat knocked down outside his house when his daughter came rushing in and declared the fact. He calmly went onto the road picked up the dead cat and put it into the trash can. He had a large back garden and the said cat grew up with his two daughters. We ate dinner knowing the cat was in the trash. He was a singularly humourless bastard from my reckoning on.
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uh, what? my guns and religious beliefs? not my scene.
people are jerks, and worse. people are also wonderful and caring. Sometimes even the same people at the same time. |
Sorry you said black puppies. I was alluding to Obamas gaff about Pensylvannians being BITTER. My bad, please excuse me.
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You're right. Neither do I. Black dogs, cats, horses are beautiful. Interesting.
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What in the hell is the question? :D |
a sampling:
http://www.glendalehumane.org/blackdog.html http://www.blackpearldogs.com/ http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayof...g.syndrome.ap/ I was not aware of this. Apparently, black dogs and cats are consistently less adoptable. |
Maybe it's a phoney ID. Someones sock puppet?
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I don't want to upset anyone but it intrigues me how us humans feel so compassionatly for pets when we are so quiet and dignified about human troubles and am not speaking about human deaths. We seem to steel ourselves about the courage of humans but when it come to little or big animals we lose it. Now Cicero you are a woman of life bear with me I just wish to know how and why we humans make this disitinction. For example I was with my infant daughter in a park one day when she had to really take a crap and I held her under a tree with broken ground under it to do it and some people said to us to go to a toilet or use a diaper. I said to them coz they had a dog like your dog pisses and craps in a public toilet instead of all over the place.
We look at animals differently. That's all I'm saying. I have a blind woman lives near me and her Guide Dog is astonishing; it crosses a really busy road for her and acts like a human in every caring sense. I am astonished how a dog can be so trained in a way that we can't. It's never distracted even by other dogs. Fascinating. |
@ icileparadise.......do we know you by another name? I mean do you log in here under another name? :)
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No why are you suspicious? It's me. Just this pet/animal thing intigues me. I eat meat but am disgusted at wholesalers abbottoirs who would not be. We treat animals in a different way to humans that all I'm exploring here. What do you mean another name Sky? I am not another name. See how contentious this animal thing can become. We eat them. It's how we treat them that is the point.
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Look, ya'll---ici is just asking why we seem to have more compassion for animals than people sometimes. To me, this is an easy question. Animals are so innocent...they don't try to manipulate or do you wrong and they are completely dependant upon us (well, I'm talking pets here, of course) so it makes it EASIER to love them.
I am not stoic in the face of anyone's death or illness and I doubt I could stand at a funereal and be stoic, brave or emotionless. thankfully, I"ve only had to do that once in my life and I did indeed cry very much. |
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lol! Now I got ya!! ;) The reason why we make this distinction is the same reason why people don't like to watch your infant poo in public parks. We are supposed to have reasoning on our side, and be civilized. People act out of grief or compassion in many different ways. If we weren't forced to show respect at funerals and be somber, we would be wallowing all over the caskets and flowers..not giving anyone a quiet moment of reflection for the person they also lost. Dog deaths are less formal unless you are talking about our dog chamois that we bought a funeral plot for in a respectable pet cemetary that had a somber respectable funeral. Example Dog: As soon as I saw my puppy dead in the street as it had been run over by a car, I dropped to my knees to pick it up, and could not see where I was carrying it because my eyes were full of tears. I was in shock and heaving, and sobbing all at the same time. It (he) as in, Astro, was limp in my arms as I carried it (he) as in, Astro, home in a massive state of dramatic grief. Example Human: When I saw that my friend was showcased on the nightly news as dead, I went to his house, and saw no one was home. I dropped to my knees in the street and pounded my fist into the pavement, heaved, and sobbed. My friend had to pull me into her car as I was in a massive state of dramatic grief and quit functioning. I don't do that at funerals. |
Dear Cicero, I never meant to go this way but your experieces have helped me. I to have dealt with death and yours is just as painful. Am sorry to bring this study to this. You can not be alone in your past griefs as will I.
I think we should let this thread go. Death is not easy at any level. |
I'd like to speak up for Icile, in case anyone is still under the troll/ sock puppet delusion - I've known him for a few months and he is a genuine case.
And I concur with some of his questions. Anyone who knows me will know this isn't a new position for me. Personally I've cried over animal's deaths. And I mourned the loss of my cats far more than my husband (not death - I walked out on all three of them but I'd have taken the cats if it was fair). I know when my babbas die I will mourn them more sincerely than any animal yet, just because they give so much back. But never, never, NEVER more than I've hurt over lovers, friends betrayal, the fear I have of a family member dying. I'm just not that sentimental about animals. I'll look after them to the best of my ability. But they are animals. There seems to be a line drawn in my mind. For example it distresses me when I read people inciting violence against someone who was cruel to animals. I wouldn't call anyone deliberately cruel a friend, but I find it harder to condone deliberate harm to another human being. Maybe I'm just a hard bitch. |
a hard bitch?
Oh, my! NOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo! :) You're the sweetest! |
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I'm astonished that the difficulty of adopting black dogs has been noticed by others and the reasons I felt contributed to it, and more, were so well expressed in the links posted by Cloud. When litters of black or mostly black pups would come in I'd try to get them split up (improved their chances) or reduced in number. Personally, if I had to pick a yellow or black Labrador and all else was equal, I'd go with yellow - my reason is that I invest a lot in my pets both verbally and non-verbally. Black fur around dark eyes makes it harder to enjoy the marvelous expression our canine friends transmit. But mostly it's because dark fur shows up more on the carpet!
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In addition to Big Black Dog Syndrome there is Small White Dog Syndrome. Really. But it's a problem with the dog, not the humans who are looking at it.
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.......*cry*.
I was so annoyed... there was an animal shelter about an hour away from here that was going to be closing due to lack of funding--a "no kill" shelter, which unfortunately cost a boatload to run simply because of that policy. I circulated an e-mail to all my friends and family to make donations... the deadline was a few days ago. I have to check to see if they made it. I pray they did. |
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:D I am going to disagree with sweetwater on this 100 percent. I am blown away by the superficial comments made about dog selection. Of course, my dog of choice has always been a Rottweilers. |
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Cicero, it's not my hangup - I was teasing about the black fur and the furniture. To borrow an expression from Dave Frei, "we consider dog fur a condiment at our house". My experiences dealing with the public has been that solid black dogs and cats are adopted less readily than their buddies. btw, we used to undo some of that hex by giving them bright bandanas. It worked. I don't know why.
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well, now we know. Next time you want to adopt a dog or cat--go for black!
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Black Dogs
Hello everyone, I am Elspodes friend. This is my first post to the Cellar and I thought this was a particularly good place to start.
Last month, I adopted from a near by animal control a wonderful mostly black Papllion/Yorkie??? mix. Darby was bigger than he looked in the pictures, but I took a chance on how he would get along with my Yorkie, Dazzle, and the one my ex kept, Sami. He is 2-3 years old and wonderfully playful. He has been the best dog in the world. He is loving, and smart. He has made a great companion for both Dazzle and me. I have watched both an aged cancer ridden boxer who had 11 wonderful years with us, and a year old kitten with Feline PV be put to sleep. It is one of the most heart-rending experiences I have ever experienced. All my animals are fixed, and I intend to help others get theirs done as quickly as possible. My youngest cat was adopted off the street and was sickly at first so we forgot about getting it done. Living with a cat in heat was not fun for it or us. |
Black Dogs
Oh yeah, forgot to add, my house has all white carpets. Black fir does stand out, but then so does the dirt I track in, their messes, leaves,
dust, ... you name it so the black dog really doesn't matter. And someone tell me why would anyone want white carpet through out a house. It is going to drive me insane!!! :eek: I do love my new house though. :) |
Hi, Tree Fae!~ Welcome to the Cellar---I love the 'Spode and any friend of his is a friend of mine!
you sound like a responsible and loving pet owner, too :) |
And any friend of Brianna's is a friend of mine.
If you ignore those white carpets, before you know it, they won't be anymore. But so what, in the grand scheme of things, clean carpets are pretty low priority... way below the Cellar. :D |
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In fact, sweetwater was just kidding. What were you doing? :) I had friends that worked at the humane society...yea...we talked. We also talked about the parameters for the "aggressive tests" that they didn't feel was quite fair. Hi Tree! We like 'spode!!! Welcome!! ;) |
thats a good story for sure. I havent heard a first hand story like that before. I guess I know what happens, but dont really know what happens.
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