Rock Band Battles
 

Steely Dan

vs.

The White Stripes


you feel me?

No...not really....Are you saying one would obviously kick the other's butt or it would be a good match? Rules...I need rules here.

no rules. except.....no touching the hair or face....

to me they represent opposite ends of a spectrum. i like feel rock much more than tecnically correct rock. I like music that makes me feel a certain way...whichever way it may be.....

white stripes:beer / steelly dan:cognac

Yeah, so does everyone. Try again

Oh...I was thinking more along the lines of which bands you would like to see get into a street fight. (fight style depending on music style and projected band details of course) Not so much apples and oranges comparison...

Like: They might be giants
vs.
The pogues

(fighting over who's pet alpaca website is the best at a bistro by passive aggressively staring at the other group and so talking about them and maybe not inviting them to their next buddy holly theme party and *so close to* almost giving someone a nasty look)
:)
Disclaimer:
I like both bands everyone so back off.

Do we get bonus points if the same musician has played in both projects? Like Megadeth versus Sting (Vinnie Colaiuta) or Slayer versus Vivaldi's Four Seasons (Dave Lombardo)? Do you think the Steely Dan guys thought "I want a little of that Frank Zappa feeling" when they hired Vinnie? Or Steve Smith, with all that Journey experience under his belt, how are fusion listeners supposed to feel about him?

well, that is to say that steely dan doesnt make me feel any kind of way. it touches no places within me. neither does Yes.

Steely Dan was required road trip music for me and my husband since before the kids were born

Everybody thinks they listen to the music that they like.

But when I studied this, I found out that people like the music that they listen to.

I looked at this problem in detail in college. Here are actual simulated quotes from actual students at the time. (Only one of these is an actual quote, the rest represent the sentiment stated)

My freshman year 1982: "I hate the Cars, so fuckin' New Wave!"

My sophomore year 1983: "The Cars are great! But I hate the Police, so fuckin' New Wave!"

My junior year 1984: "The Police are awesome! But I hate U2, so fuckin' New Wave!"

My senior year 1985: "U2 are the new Gods. But DAMN I hate REM, so fuckin' New Wave!"

So.... am I saying that all you need to do is to listen to Yes and you'll like it?

No, the word "listen" means much more than that. What happens is that your brain forms patterns of what it recognizes, over time. You setting into interpreting music differently. If you like things because they are simple, it doesn't mean you are incapable of liking complicated things. It only means you haven't chosen to.

AND I'm not just saying "oh but you haven't given my music a chance!" I'm also saying oh, but I haven't given your music a chance. But that's just how it is. It's not that one sucks and the other does not. It's that we settle in, and ground our taste until it anchors us, gives us a kicking-off point.

.......(yoda yo yo yo yo yo yoda)
:D

I'll always love the music that I was into during particularly happy times in my life. I think that's a given, but I wonder if I concentrated on listening more, with less distractions, during happy times?

Wow - you really do have issues. You really are into just whatever floats yer boat. Those "bands" have some of the most talented musicians ever in them. From Yes, for example, Steve Howe, Chris Squire, Rick Wakeman and Bill Bruford were all inducted into the Hall of Fame for their respective talents.

Recognizing talent in a piece of music is not the same as getting an emotional reaction from it. If he said he didn't care for Picasso, would you say he has "issues?" The point is that art affects different people different ways.

can i get an amen?

As a self-confessed technical analyzer of music, I have to say that I can't rationally explain why I like some of my favorite stuff.

i bet that burns your ass worse than that time your anal beads got hot sauce on them, huh?

No, it gives me great pleasure.




Like that time my anal beads got hot sauce on them.

I do like different types of music. There are even a few country songs I like. A FEW. ;)

I do remember when my older brother started really getting into music. His first two albums were "Eagle's Greatest Hits" and "Steve Miller Band's Fly Like an Eagle." He started a huge record collection, and turned me onto a lot of stuff.

I remember clearly that I loved the Steely Dan albums, among others. I liked the arrangments...a little horn here, a different drum beat there.

Then, when I met my ex (who attended Berklee College of Music, in Boston) who is a piano player and is partial to jazz fusion, I really got an education. I learned to concentrate on individual parts, and found parts in music that I had previously not tuned into: I might have liked the sum of the parts, but when I learned about the parts I was really blown away. At times, I would point out a nuance to him that he hadn't noticed. Not often, but every now and then.

Parts is parts.

Some of the musicians we've seen live...like Tom Scott. His band came out for a sound check and played a bit and that could have been the whole show right there, a sound check so amazing.

And I'm partial to Bacharach and David, and Mancini...for the same arrangement reasons.

I don't know anything about the White Stripes...I might like them.

So ends the ramblings of someone who is not a musician. :)

Sounds like you have good taste. It's true, people listen differently, and you can learn a different way of listening from someone.

From an is-a-musician's perspective (if drummers count), listening is the #1 skill a musician needs to do his/her job correctly.

And yes, I know, drummers do count, but only to eight.

*ding ding ding* We have a winner! I tried introducing the band Helmet to some of my metalhead friends in 1990. They all hated it. Universally. Without exception. Each and everyone of them said "this guitarist sucks!" They equated using using few notes, repetitive rhythm, and odd time signatures with sucking. For me, it just kind of clicked.

Ex could hear something once and play it. His guitar buddy used to call and ask for The Chordmeister...then they would go into a conversation that sounded like greek to me, but Ex just had an "ear" for want of a better phrase.

the tissue necrosed in one day? :eyebrow:

Cuz I was just bustin his chops - thats why. Any reason you got involved in it?

don't start saying shit like that now.....cmon. this is supposed to be a happy occasion.

Yes. Yes I would.:artist:

i do find it slightly intriguing that classicman and clodfobble, two of the more laid back and reasonable dwellars, seem to have hard-ons for eachother.

Is that what people do when they get hard-ons? Damn, no wonder I don't get laid.

Would that be "hards-on"? :lol:

Wait, whowhatwhere? All I said was

Yeah. I had to go back and look for it too.
:headshake

I have no beef whatsoever with Clod - other than a couple recent posts that could be construed as trying to correct me.

Been wondering myself if I did or said something.

Er... I'm sorry if you're wrong sometimes? :yelsick: I'm not singling you out, if that's what you're saying--heck, I just told Happy Monkey he was wrong in the deck shuffling thread, and that guy's almost always got it right. ;)

Clodfobble, don't even think about changing your ways.

You're in the Hall of Fame for some of your corrections/clarifications.

classicman pulled this same over-defensive routine with me. Of course, in that case it was probably me being a jerk. . . . But seriously, getting corrected when you need to be corrected is how you learn, and having more people to correct you is why the internet is a great place to learn.

eh, maybe my memory is faulty. i thought i had seen a couple of places recently where classic and/or clodfobble had gotten snippy with eachother. nothing serious, just little barbs. certainly nothing to be concerned about. i was just typing out my ass again, apparently.

You have too many spaces between the sentence that ends with "jerk" and the one that begins with "But." The invisible ellipsis is unnecessary and ridiculous. And don't begin your sentences with a conjunction.:p

:lol:

I wasn't wrong - I was simply joking with LJ - not you. You took something not directed toward you and chose to act/post upon an incorrect assumption - thats all.
Trust me - I'm wrong plenty of times, probably most times - but not this one. Your comment just didn't belong. Now in that other thread or where BigV just said...or two weeks ago when Flint - - -oh nevermind.

i think this is one of those things where talking about it does NOT help. nobody really did anything wrong, my feelings were not hurt (I know that this is everyone's main concern). Also, this is one of those posts that contradicts its own message.....

hey.....do you like monkeys?

I think I see the problem here. classicman, I like you. But you need to know something. This is a public message board. There is nothing here that you are saying to just one person. That would be a private message. Anything you say to anybody, anywhere on the board, is something free to be quoted, analyzed, nit-picked, taken out of context, criticized, mis-characterized, or whatever, by anybody, anywhere, anytime. Wrong! That's your wrong assumption: that anything anybody feels like posting, doesn't "belong" somewhere, according to you. You're not the editor!

Now, remember, this is just my opinion. And if you disagree, I welcome you to post that. And I won't come back and say that you shouldn't have posted that you disagree. And if anybody reads this and agrees or disagrees with me, they can post whatever they want about it. I won't be telling people what they should or shouldn't say. It doesn't work like that.

Damn you, Flint! I was gonna like respond to your post in a way that I hoped would be funny, saying that people had no right to jump into conversations between two other people, but it would be funny because I would be doing the exact thing I was advocating against. Then I read down to the end of your post and you invited that very thing. Curse you! :mad2:

Pah, I did that like ....2 posts ago.

so, let's really delve deep into the damage that can be done when you talk about something you really oughten to, thereby exacerbating the situation all the further. I see great opportunity to use a lot of really cromulent words.

Flint, Glatt, LJ & Clod - you are all correct - I took her "correction" to heart. I made an offhand remark and she took it literally...whatever. I'm movin on - not worth disrupting this wonderful thread over. :p

Lj, I like monkeys - you?

This is a damn good thread, isn't it? Kind of a hodge podge of all that is Cellar.

Once we got to the monkeys it was ok. Before that I was wondering where all the poo was coming from.

dude! don't you know that is how AIDS spread???

it started so innocently
http://www.primatefreedom.com/images...and%20Tess.jpg

just playin the straightman for you. And I'm actually rather disappointed thats all either of you came up with.

What was that again?

Let me just cut in with the original idea....I liked it...

Siouxsie Sioux (Siouxsie and the Banshees)
vs.
Janis Joplin

Now how awesome would that be?
:)