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Undertoad 12-23-2007 01:07 PM

When Hillary runs ads like this...
 
It makes me want to hurl:



Even if you are in favor of each of the policies she tags (and she isn't, btw), glossing over the political struggle as if Hillary could magically gift them to you is an offensive metaphor. Of course it's not Hillary who would gift them to you, even if they did become policy.

The left has characterized Bush's time as hubris, but the hubris on display here is astounding. Truly the President is *not* a king or queen with the ability to move big policy simply by being elected. It's a long, hard slog to even push policies that everybody seems in favor of, and even if you have one-party control of both the Presidency and the Congress. Hillary should know this, because that was exactly her experience in 1993.

Lastly, the ad mixes the normally heart-warming homey signals of Christmas with the frigidity of politics... and of Clinton's own delivery, where it would appear no warmth can be found. You know, traditionally, the candidates take the week of Christmas off, the idea being that people really don't want to hear from them at this time; they want to spend their time with their families, tiding of comfort and joy, that sort of thing. That's over, now that the election cycle is so long and primaries are moving up, closer to Christmas.

Now I swear I was ready to accept her, if not even vote for her as a recognition that politics is inevitable, not frightening, and that she is a good player of it. But after this initial dose, a few months of her game, I find her game annoying. Her harsh rasp is a non-sell. She completely lacks Bill's emotional connection to an audience, or to the people in general.

xoxoxoBruce 12-23-2007 02:17 PM

On the news this morning, they were describing all the Christmas ads the candidates were airing. This is the first time none of them has recessed their campaign for Christmas.

TheMercenary 12-23-2007 02:22 PM

Everything about Hitlery makes me want to puke, ad or no ad.

piercehawkeye45 12-23-2007 06:16 PM

I will say this once again. I honestly don't know a single person that actually supports Hiliary.

Hopefully, the more she talks and leaves herself open, the more people will change their stances away from her.

Bullitt 12-23-2007 06:45 PM

She's so fucking smug it almost makes me gag.

TheMercenary 12-23-2007 09:08 PM

Go Hitlery, Go Hitlery, Go Hitlery...

Elect me and oil prices instantly drop, says Hillary Clinton in Iowa
BY MICHAEL McAULIFF
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

Sunday, December 23rd 2007, 4:00 AM

MANCHESTER, N.H. - Hillary Clinton predicted Saturday that just electing her President will cut the price of oil.

When the world hears her commitment at her inauguration about ending American dependence on foreign fuel, Clinton says, oil-pumping countries will lower prices to stifle America's incentive to develop alternative energy.

"I predict to you, the oil-producing countries will drop the price of oil," Clinton said, speaking at the Manchester YWCA. "They will once again assume, once the cost pressure is off, Americans and our political process will recede."

Clinton argued that former President Jimmy Carter in the late 1970s actually started moving in the right direction toward energy independence, but his successor, Ronald Reagan, "dismantled" that work.

"Because costs were low, people didn't care, didn't complain," she said.

She warned that folks shouldn't be grateful now if oil countries cut prices from near $100 a barrel to $60 or $70, and compared it to trying to boil a frog.

"You put him in hot water, it jumps right out, you put him in cold water and turn up the heat - he's a goner," she said. "We've got to figure out how were going to not be the frog in the cold water anymore."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...1.html?ref=rss

classicman 12-23-2007 09:52 PM

She's truly frightening. I sincerely hope there aren't enough people ignorant enough to believe her.

classicman 12-23-2007 09:53 PM

Oh, and I love that commercial :vomit: just makes me wonder where the bill for all that stuff is being sent.

Clodfobble 12-23-2007 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45
I honestly don't know a single person that actually supports Hiliary.

My aunt (5th grade teacher) adores her, and has been talking about how she should be president since back when she was first lady. Also, my friend (24-year-old PR specialist in D.C.) is solidly, if not enthusiastically, supportive of her in a hate-all-Republicans kind of way. So there's two for you.

Urbane Guerrilla 12-24-2007 01:23 AM

Well, as before, the Democrats aren't selling anything I'd want to buy.

God, do they need more Liebermans. The only other Democrats worth respecting are in uniform.

xoxoxoBruce 12-24-2007 11:53 AM

But isn't Lieberman a fellow war monger?

Urbane Guerrilla 12-25-2007 12:18 AM

There's letting despotism flourish (and blot) and there's monging war. If you must, and apparently you must, since you seem to value human life over human goodness, think of it that I'm choosing the lesser evil. At the worst. Or else, behold, I make a new thing. Where there was darkness, I shed light. Where there was sin, righteousness. Where there was oppression, fairness.

classicman 12-25-2007 09:08 AM

...where there was B.S., a shovel.

Sundae 12-25-2007 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 419145)
There's letting despotism flourish (and blot) and there's monging war.

Pssst - I think you mean mongering. A monger is a seller or trader.
Monging implies pretending you have Down Syndrome...

Urbane Guerrilla 12-26-2007 02:34 AM

Though I think not very accurately. You're right -- mongering would be a better verb!

Yes, a shovel. Very handy. :cool:

slang 12-27-2007 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 418963)
....MANCHESTER, N.H. - Hillary Clinton predicted Saturday that just electing her President will cut the price of oil....

I wonder if birds will stop crapping on my car if she's elected? Hey, seems like she can do everything else, why not. :lol:

HumanBeast 12-29-2007 02:22 PM

Everybody hates her, including SNL.

xoxoxoBruce 12-29-2007 02:24 PM

The polls show that's obviously not true. While they may consider her the lesser evil, they clearly don't hate her.

piercehawkeye45 12-29-2007 11:09 PM

Hating Hilary for her tactics is the same as hating Bush for our foreign policy. Hilary is just a product of the American politics system. She will do anything to get anyone's vote, she is just more open and extreme about it. Our foreign policy hasn't been much different before Bush but he just made it more open and extreme, and we act like it is all his fault. If either of them left, someone will jump up and take their place.

This will probably only get worse by the election. If someone tries to be elected president without using bullshit tactics, they won't win.

Griff 12-30-2007 07:11 AM

There is a nice Obama piece in Sports Illustrated. The writer played one on one bball with him to get at his character. His take was that Obama plays hard, plays to win, but importantly doesn't play chippy and doesn't get ticked when someone else does. Oh and he has a nice jumper.

classicman 01-05-2008 03:31 PM

A Campaign Retools to Seek Second Clinton Comeback

Quote:

MANCHESTER, N.H. — Billary Clinton have been in career-threatening scrapes before, but never quite like the one they face in the New Hampshire primary on Tuesday, when nothing less than their would-be dynasty will be on the line.

In trying to battle back from her loss in the Iowa caucuses to Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, Mrs. Clinton is recalibrating her message in hopes of producing Comeback Kid: The Sequel — achieving the reversal of fortune her husband pulled off with his second-place finish here in the Democratic nomination contest in 1992.

Mrs. Clinton, after arriving here at 4 a.m. Friday, used a rally in Nashua to begin focusing on young voters and independents, two groups that flocked to the Obama banner in Iowa. She said she wanted to appeal to young people, and surrounded herself with them at the rally, in contrast to her caucus night party where older, familiar faces from the Clinton administration and her political team stood out.

Yet many of the challenges and questions she faced in Iowa — like Clinton fatigue and the generational showdown with Mr. Obama — remained part of her baggage as she flew east. While she is ahead in public polls here, she faces a popularity contest against Mr. Obama. There were empty seats, for instance, at a rally Mr. Clinton held with students at the University of New Hampshire on Friday afternoon.

And her campaign, while trying to fine-tune its strategy, is also engaging in some finger-pointing. Some advisers say that the campaign miscalculated in having Mr. Clinton play such a public role, that Mrs. Clinton could not effectively position herself as a change agent, the profile du jour for Democrats, so long as he stood as a reminder that her presidency would be much like his. Other advisers say that Mr. Obama now owns the “change” mantra and that Mrs. Clinton needs a Plan B.

Hillary says she’ll change things, but then voters see Bill and hear them talk about the 1990s, and it’s clear that the Clintons are not offering change but rather Clinton Part 2,” said one veteran adviser to both Clintons. “That won’t win.”


I, for one, certainly hope not.


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