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Beevee 12-04-2007 10:57 PM

If you could have killed someone....
 
.......and changed history as a result, who would it be?

For myself, if I had been Thomas Watson in the other room and accidentally done something that encouraged Alexander Graham Bell to invent the telephone, I would have committed suicide after having throttled him first.

I think the telephone is the most intrusive piece of apparatus ever invented. Why does everyone (well almost everyone) stop whatever they are doing to answer a phone? Why does the person making the call expect to get service ahead of the person who took the trouble to make a personal visit?

Why does the phone always ring when I am in the shower?

I hate it with a vengeance. I do have a mobile but it's only for emergency. The only time it rings is when my wife is on the other end and then I had better answer it - or else.

So - who would you have terminated - and why?

monster 12-04-2007 11:09 PM

I pretty much agree with you on telephones.

But to answer your question....

I think maybe we'd've been better off without Pol Pot. He really had no positive contribution.

classicman 12-04-2007 11:21 PM

Adam or Eve - take your pick.

LJ 12-05-2007 12:08 AM

emo phillips

lookout123 12-05-2007 12:53 AM

gallagher. seriously quit smashing watermelons fucktard.

Hubris Boy 12-05-2007 01:48 AM

Henriette Presburg: mother of Karl Marx.

And then bury the corpse in a crossroads under a new moon with a stake through its heart.

'Cause ya can't be too careful.

Aliantha 12-05-2007 03:53 AM

George Bush

Sundae 12-05-2007 05:53 AM

A lady I worked with called Sandra M. If I wasn't afeared of the power of Google I would write her name in full.
No idea what effect it would have had on history, I just wanted to kill her.

Sun_Sparkz 12-05-2007 05:58 AM

I would have killed that guy who shot john lennon.

Apparently someone actually saved him from committing suicide a few years before he killed lennon? tard.


i dont like the notion of changing history too much. things happened for a reason.

Stress Puppy 12-05-2007 08:18 AM

To paraphrase Douglas Adams, if you try to go back into history to make changes, it won't work. Time and history fit together like a jigsaw puzzle.

Cloud 12-05-2007 08:37 AM

I don't think changing history is a good enough reason to kill someone. One thing that a lifetime of SF fandom has taught me--it never works out well! :)

Also, BeeVee, about the phone: Free yourself from phone slavery! You can do it! It's all in your head!

Just don't answer.

TheMercenary 12-05-2007 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 413300)
George Bush

It was only a matter of time before someone would post him. You see if we were to say it we might get a visit from the Secret Service.

Beevee 12-05-2007 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 413325)
It was only a matter of time before someone would post him. You see if we were to say it we might get a visit from the Secret Service.


Noting where the post comes from beggars the question - does the Secret Service extend that far or would they attempt to use ASIS to silence the critic?

Beevee 12-05-2007 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud (Post 413323)
I don't think changing history is a good enough reason to kill someone. One thing that a lifetime of SF fandom has taught me--it never works out well! :)

Also, BeeVee, about the phone: Free yourself from phone slavery! You can do it! It's all in your head!

Just don't answer.

Are you telling me not to answer my wife?

Perhaps I should have married you instead? ;)

Shawnee123 12-05-2007 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 413287)
gallagher. seriously quit smashing watermelons fucktard.

Amen!

HungLikeJesus 12-05-2007 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 413300)
George Bush

The old one or the new one? I guess if the first was gone, that would take care of both of them.

lookout123 12-05-2007 10:25 AM

noooo, because if you got the first one then we would all look at W in the same way that america viewed JFK, Jr. is that what you want?:headshake

HungLikeJesus 12-05-2007 10:28 AM

I guess I was thinking "Died at birth." I see your point.

lookout123 12-05-2007 10:30 AM

butbutbut... you would "kill" a baby?

eh, maybe i just misinterpreted the thread. or maybe i'm just a smartass. take your pick.

Cicero 12-05-2007 10:43 AM

Did anyone see Chapelle's show "black gallagher"? Hilarious!!!


Ummm...Please don't name current, living, high profile, political figures folks....You don't want any trouble because of a trifle statement on an internet message board do you? Call me paranoid...and I am...let's just be cautious in our approach here. Even if it is a hypothetical question!
:)



I can't think of anyone but an obvious Hitler right now...maybe I'll have a better answer later....

Great topic and nice to meet you!
:D


Oh and lets not forget how many things and lives telephones have saved? When I inevitably have a heart attack I'll want one.

ZenGum 12-05-2007 11:01 AM

Thomas Midgley, Jr.

Who?

You know, they guy who developed both the tetra-ethyl lead (TEL) additive to gasoline and chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs)!

Yep, leaded petrol and CFCs, from one guy!

To be fair, if he hadn't come up with these, probably someone else would have. Although he fought strongly to deny the obvious harmful effects of lead.

He died in 1944, killed by one of his own inventions - strangled by the ropes of his "bed-assist device" which was meant to ease his sleep after he suffered polio.

Radar 12-05-2007 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 413300)
George Bush

I'm with you there, though I might get Colonel Edward Mandell House or Cecil Rhodes and this would have prevented the creation of the income tax and the federal reserve, public education, and would have prevented the creation of the CFR and the Trilateral commission.

icileparadise 12-05-2007 12:28 PM

Lee Harvey Oswald. What would have happened? We can't change squat. Maybe JFK would have been great or had a Watergate. Cecil Rhodes was a man of his time he could not do any different. And Zengum, how do you know that stuff?

Shawnee123 12-05-2007 01:32 PM

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I wouldn't kill anyone but I would like to have stifled a few. I guess anyone who felt it OK to slaughter Native Americans, and rape and pillage. I hate pillaging. It needs to be stopped.

BrianR 12-05-2007 02:03 PM

Actually, I wouldn't eliminate anyone. There is no one that is 100% bad or 100% good.

No one likes Adolph Hitler (Shickelgruber) but even though he was history's biggest evildoer, not ALL of his reign was bad...

Under Hitler, the Autobahn was created, jet aircraft were mass produced for the first time, technology (albeit war tech) accelerated rapidly, the atom was split for the first time. These were good things. But also it cost the lives of some 11 million prisoners, including about six million Jews. Millions more died needlessly from the fighting.

The telephone was mentioned. Good or bad? Yes, it's annoying. But it has saved countless lives, brought people across the world closer together. Also interrupted untold dinners and showers and relaxing baths. But it is not ALL bad.

President Bush isn't all bad either. Perhaps not the best, but I think he's the right man in the right pace at the right time. President Gore wouldn't have done a damn thing but bluster the talk and we would be living with regular attacks now.

OK, Pol Pot hasn't made a positive contribution that I know of, but I don't know everything either.

The point is: no one in history (or now) is ALL bad and deserving of being erased from history.

binky 12-05-2007 02:25 PM

My ex husband right after I got pregnant

Cloud 12-05-2007 02:25 PM

can't interfere between a husband and wife, though!

binky 12-05-2007 02:30 PM

you are assuming he did anything post imprenation to interfere with, other than punching me frequently

Aliantha 12-05-2007 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beevee (Post 413330)
Noting where the post comes from beggars the question - does the Secret Service extend that far or would they attempt to use ASIS to silence the critic?

It's ASIO. Australian Secret Intelligence Organisation. And yes, their intelligence is very secret. So secret in fact that not even they know what it is.

I don't think anyone's going to come knocking on my door anyway. I'm pretty sure they'd read this thread, then read the rest of my posts and realize I'm just some dopey liberal looney from the land of idiots and realize the only person I'm a threat to is myself. ;)

Senior or Junior. I don't mind which btw.

Stormieweather 12-05-2007 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by binky (Post 413437)
My ex husband right after I got pregnant

Funny, I was thinking exactly the same thing. Only MY ex husband, not yours :greenface .

Urbane Guerrilla 12-05-2007 08:45 PM

For God's sake, don't tempt me!

sikcboy 12-07-2007 05:19 PM

GHANDI
hippys who needs em!



joking aside tho
whos heard the theory there is a hitler and ghandi in all of us potentially?

Beevee 12-07-2007 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sikcboy (Post 414319)
GHANDI
hippys who needs em!



joking aside tho
whos heard the theory there is a hitler and ghandi in all of us potentially?

Ghandi?

You're a bit late. Someone got there before you.

So, that's the who. But why?

Ibby 12-07-2007 09:21 PM

I think I'd try nipping that Nirvana thing right in the bud. Take out Cobain, early early early 1980s. Not AFTER he started nirvana cause that would change nothing, he'd still be a martyr.

binky 12-07-2007 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stormieweather (Post 413580)
Funny, I was thinking exactly the same thing. Only MY ex husband, not yours :greenface .

I'd go in halvsies with you for both of them:cool:

Yznhymr 12-14-2007 02:09 PM

Without a doubt, it would be Abd Allah ibn 'Abd al-Muttalib. That way 911 would only be listed as an emergency telephone number on Wiki.

Mockingbird 12-14-2007 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibram (Post 414393)
I think I'd try nipping that Nirvana thing right in the bud. Take out Cobain, early early early 1980s. Not AFTER he started nirvana cause that would change nothing, he'd still be a martyr.

Man, I don't even know where to begin with you on this one.

Cicero 12-14-2007 02:22 PM

wtf is wrong with Cobain? He didn't make himself a martyr, and it wasn't him who asked people to do so. Unlike other, real, martyrs he didn't claim to be a god or a saint or anything but fucked up....It's not his fault he became people's idols!!

That guy used to live under bridges and tried to survive on his own talent.That's until his illness completely took over and died. His story wasn't a glorious martyr story by any means...It all is a crying shame. Bottom line: Someone's son is missing their dad.

So maybe you don't like his music...why would you want him killed?

lookout123 12-14-2007 02:33 PM

because ibram is young enough that he never actually experienced what nirvana/cobain brought to the music world. he has only experienced the post-nirvana world where we have kids who weren't even born yet walking around wearing nirvana shirts and pretending they have a clue about what cobain was trying to say.

honestly i hated the whole grunge thing - but i saw nirvana in a lttle bitty club playing to a couple dozen of us while promoting their cheapo album Bleach. they were absolutely different than anything else being done at the time. I loved them right up until i saw a cheerleader at my school wearing a "smells like teen spirit" t shirt. i knew then it was over.
while i'm not a huge nirvana fan i don't think you can blame all the idiots on cobain.

one of my employees a few years back went to school with him (verifiable) and said he was a really nice, shy kid.

Mockingbird 12-14-2007 04:57 PM

Is it the cool thing to bash Cobain lately? I've seen much more of this in the last two years than I saw even while Cobain was alive. The guy made a good contribution. Whatever everyone one else did with it afterwards good or bad isn't really his fault.

Cicero 12-14-2007 05:07 PM

Maybe to have a "Ramones" moment, you have to bash "Cobain".

lol!!!

I don't know....I'm not as cool as most folks.

ViennaWaits 12-14-2007 10:56 PM

Tim and Eric.

It is NOT an awesome show.
It is NOT a great job.

:reaper:


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