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xoxoxoBruce 11-15-2007 05:45 PM

No Ho's in Australia
 
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SYDNEY (AFP) - Santas in Australia's largest city have been told not to use Father Christmas's traditional "ho ho ho" greeting because it may be offensive to women, it was reported Thursday.
Sydney's Santa Clauses have instead been instructed to say "ha ha ha" instead, the Daily Telegraph reported.

One disgruntled Santa told the newspaper a recruitment firm warned him not to use "ho ho ho" because it could frighten children and was too close to "ho", a US slang term for prostitute.

"Gimme a break," said Julie Gale, who runs the campaign against sexualising children called Kids Free 2B Kids.
"We are talking about little kids who do not understand that "ho, ho, ho" has any other connotation and nor should they," she told the Telegraph.

"Leave Santa alone."

A local spokesman for the US-based Westaff recruitment firm said it was "misleading" to say the company had banned Santa's traditional greeting and it was being left up to the discretion of the individual Santa himself.
A Santa without Ho's, is like a day without sunshine.

tw 11-15-2007 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 407536)
A Santa without Ho's, is like a day without sunshine.

Go to Iran where there are no gays. Is happiness gone all over the world?

Aliantha 11-15-2007 06:11 PM

This was on the news the other night. What a load of crap. As if Santa's are going to stop saying ho ho ho.

God some people are stupid.

tw 11-15-2007 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 407546)
What a load of crap. As if Santa's are going to stop saying ho ho ho.

Well is Santa were to say, "Ha Ha Ha", then would Santa be guilty of making a political statement?

Aliantha 11-15-2007 06:24 PM

I don't see how, and what would be the point anyway. He should be saying ho ho ho.

Aliantha 11-15-2007 06:26 PM

btw, it's not all Santa's in Sydney, and they don't have to say ha ha ha. It's one santa company that decided to suggest this course of action on the advice of some loopy liberal twit.

tw 11-15-2007 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 407558)
btw, it's not all Santa's in Sydney, and they don't have to say ha ha ha. It's one santa company that decided to suggest this course of action on the advice of some loopy liberal twit.

Or maybe Aliantha cannot laugh at the triviality. It is not about 'liberal' or 'conservative'. It's about something irrelevant now suddenly rocketed into wacko extremist political opinion.

Aliantha - your opinion may have had credibility if it was limited to facts. But you reasoning exposes judgment based in 'wacko liberal' or 'wacko conservative' justifications and accusations. That makes you no different from them.

It is funny to watch and to play wacko extremists. Those who see things in terms of 'liberal' or 'conservative' are far down the political string - flaying at each other. Where do the more intelligent people lie. Higher up the string is where moderates instead use the perspective of facts. Laugh at the hypocrisy of those who justify with hate. Hate? Those who judge in terms of 'liberal' or 'conservative'.

It Santa was to shout "Ha Ha Ha. Happy Holidays", apparently Aliantha would take offense. I am amused. Especially because someone would view it in terms of "some loopy liberal twit". To me, that is no different from "some loopy conservative twit". Either way, it is trivial and based in low intelligent poltiical bigotry.

BTW, Happy Holidays.

Aliantha 11-15-2007 08:58 PM

You're an idiot sometimes tw.

I think the whole thing is idiotic. Laughable even if you want to put it that way, and it is based in left wing 'oh let's worry about how girls will feel about hearing the word ho, even if it is coming from a childhood figure who most people relate to'. It's just plain idiotic.

If you think it's funny that people would come up with such tripe then maybe you should have a look at where the world is heading.

tw 11-15-2007 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 407589)
You're an idiot sometimes tw.

I said exactly what I am doing. I don't lie. Just priming the pump. Interesting what comes up.
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... it is based in left wing 'oh let's worry about ... If you think it's funny that people would come up with such tripe then maybe you should have a look at where the world is heading.
And who did just that five years ago? Who identified wacko poltical extremists that even created a disaster called "Mission Accomplished"? A disaster created by those who see a world in terms of 'liberal' and 'conservative' agenda - also called intolerance. Politial bigotry that promotes hate.

Apparently you did not get the joke. "Happy Holidays" - a specific reference to how 'wacko extremist intolerance' promotes hate especially during Christmas.

Jesus Christ, Aliantha. You see. I just "put the Christ back in Christmas". Clearly I must also hate that Christmas decorations are already up. How dare they impose their religion on us. Or maybe I just don't care whether Santa says "Ha Ha Ha" or "Ho Ho Ho". It's their Santa. They can say what want.

But where can I get my own $200 a night Santa? A little Jack Daniels and a $200 Santa. Save the tw; save the world - a reference to all those extremists who see 'evil liberals' everywhere. Damn. Another empty bottle.

I see where the world is heading - and what you post scares me slightly. It promotes hate and intolerance. And it is not based in facts; only in a poltical agenda.

Aliantha 11-15-2007 09:22 PM

flaps!

tw 11-15-2007 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 407593)
flaps!

You really need to get a better pilot who can the runway.


Or some logic to justify your opinions. Do they shoot Santa's in your country? We only shoot students and cops.

Urbane Guerrilla 11-15-2007 11:28 PM

Can what the runway?

The whole idea is absurd beyond tolerance, and the one responsible for it should be quietly laid off or transferred to some job that doesn't involve policymaking.

LJ 11-15-2007 11:46 PM

this is a great example of the media being part of the problem. this is not news. this is bullshit.

Aliantha 11-16-2007 12:21 AM

That's what I said!

Flaps!!!

ZenGum 11-16-2007 02:26 AM

IMHO the silliest part is that Australians almost never use the word "ho". We may call them whores, pros, sluts, sex-workers (polite) or even hookers, but ho is very rare. The only exception is teenage males who ape the American urban gangsta image. But they're (a) try-hard wannabe fakes and (b) unlikely to be visiting Santa anytime soon.

DucksNuts 11-16-2007 05:46 AM

...or visited by Santa.

I agree with Zen, its absurd because *ho* carries no real weight of insult over here.

My problem locally is, a religion that doesnt believe in *Christmas* is petitioning my 4yr olds kindergarten...they dont want *traditional* (term used loosely) decorations up or stories of Santa used because they dont want their children exposed to them.

I'm a bit muddled on this one....why shouldnt my kids be exposed to all things commercially Xmas? why should these kids be exposed to all things commercially Xmas? Are these other kids *needs* more important than mine?

Whats the next step...banning Santas from the mall all together?

Trilby 11-16-2007 06:03 AM

omg--tw made me laugh out loud which isn't easy these days...

Thanks, tw! You are truly a gem!

jester 11-16-2007 03:31 PM

You know he could always adopt the words from "Larry the Cable Guy"

Lady of the Evening
Lady of the Evening
Lady of the Evening

It might take a little longer;)

Kitsune 11-16-2007 03:45 PM

I believe the proper term, Santa, is "rake".


Cloud 11-16-2007 04:04 PM

are No Hos, like, vanilla?

Sundae 11-16-2007 04:23 PM

Kitsune, you angel
That is funny on so many levels

queequeger 11-16-2007 05:19 PM

What jeopardy question writer is so far removed from the real world that he didn't realize someone would guess ho? I'd guess ho. Who wouldn't guess ho? Ho ho ho.

This whole "censorship of everything radical, or even appearing radical" crap is so annoying. These incidents occur mostly with a leftist tint, but please don't lump the rest of us liberals in with these twits. If we try to eliminate all of the 'naughty words' from our society, not only do we end up with a bland, boring world that's measured in shades of beige and off-whites, we make our children socially moronic.

Do you know what happens to a child who isn't allowed to play outside, go to school, and eat dirt? He grows up with no immune system, and spend his adult life sick all the damned time. You try to protect your children too much, and they end up unable to deal with the real world.

Let's face it, your children are going to learn what all the bad words out there mean anyway, wouldn't you rather them have a healthy understanding of their connotations and (far more importantly) not have some sort of psychological issue? I've known far too many people who were overly sheltered as kids, and they always seem to be a little ridiculous.

Also, tw... what the hell are you TALKING about? I can follow each of your posts for one paragraph and then... are you drunk or something?

tw 11-16-2007 06:47 PM

I was just watching the 'Wizard of OZ' when I suddenly realized: Santa does not say "Ho Ho Ho" in Munchkin land. He says "Heh Heh Heh". In which case, this entire thread is moot.

queequeger – never mind.

rkzenrage 11-17-2007 12:58 AM

Who made this decision, was there a vote?
It makes it sound like the whole city banned it as one being.
That reporter needs a real job.

Aliantha 11-17-2007 04:53 AM

no one's been banned. It's just a suggestion.

As usual, the whole thing has been blow out of all proportion by the media.

It's just a joke.

Aliantha 11-17-2007 05:48 AM

I thought since we were talking about ha ha ha instead of ho ho ho, I might post this little ditty. Maybe ha ha ha isn't quite as good a suggestion as was first thought...if you believe everything hear of course.

Me and my wife live all alone
In a little log hut we call our own;
She loves gin and I love rum,
And don't we have a lot of fun!

Ha, ha, ha, you and me,
Little brown jug, don't I love thee!
Ha, ha, ha, you and me,
Little brown jug, don't I love thee!

When I go toiling on the farm
I take the little jug under my arm;
Place it under a shady tree,
Little brown jug,'tis you and me.

Ha, ha, ha, you and me,
Little brown jug, don't I love thee!
Ha, ha, ha, you and me,
Little brown jug, don't I love thee!

'Tis you that makes me friends and foes,
'Tis you that makes me wear old clothes;
But, seeing you're so near my nose,
Tip her up and down she goes.

Ha, ha, ha, you and me,
Little brown jug, don't I love thee!
Ha, ha, ha, you and me,
Little brown jug, don't I love thee!

If all the folks in Adam's race
Were gathered together in one place,
I'd let them go without a tear
Before I'd part from you, my dear.

Ha, ha, ha, you and me,
Little brown jug, don't I love thee!
Ha, ha, ha, you and me,
Little brown jug, don't I love thee!

If I'd a cow that gave such milk,
I'd dress her in the finest silk;
Feed her up on oats and hay,
And milk her twenty times a day.

Ha, ha, ha, you and me,
Little brown jug, don't I love thee!
Ha, ha, ha, you and me,
Little brown jug, don't I love thee!

I bought a cow from Farmer Jones,
And she was nothing but skin and bones;
I fed her up as fine as silk,
She jumped the fence and strained her milk.

Ha, ha, ha, you and me,
Little brown jug, don't I love thee!
Ha, ha, ha, you and me,
Little brown jug, don't I love thee!

And when I die don't bury me at all,
Just pickle my bones in alcohol;
Put a bottle o' booze at my head and feet
And then I know that I will keep.

Ha, ha, ha, you and me,
Little brown jug, don't I love thee!
Ha, ha, ha, you and me,
Little brown jug, don't I love thee!

The rose is red, my nose is too,
The violet's blue and so are you;
And yet, I guess, before I stop,
We'd better take another drop.

Ha, ha, ha, you and me,
Little brown jug, don't I love thee!
Ha, ha, ha, you and me,
Little brown jug, don't I love thee!

tw 11-17-2007 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 408021)
I thought since we were talking about ha ha ha instead of ho ho ho, I might post this little ditty. Maybe ha ha ha isn't quite as good a suggestion as was first thought...

Sounds more like "Boo hoo hoo" is more appropriate for all but the little brown jug.

TheMercenary 11-18-2007 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by queequeger (Post 407903)
What jeopardy question writer is so far removed from the real world that he didn't realize someone would guess ho? I'd guess ho. Who wouldn't guess ho? Ho ho ho.

This whole "censorship of everything radical, or even appearing radical" crap is so annoying. These incidents occur mostly with a leftist tint, but please don't lump the rest of us liberals in with these twits. If we try to eliminate all of the 'naughty words' from our society, not only do we end up with a bland, boring world that's measured in shades of beige and off-whites, we make our children socially moronic.

Do you know what happens to a child who isn't allowed to play outside, go to school, and eat dirt? He grows up with no immune system, and spend his adult life sick all the damned time. You try to protect your children too much, and they end up unable to deal with the real world.

Let's face it, your children are going to learn what all the bad words out there mean anyway, wouldn't you rather them have a healthy understanding of their connotations and (far more importantly) not have some sort of psychological issue? I've known far too many people who were overly sheltered as kids, and they always seem to be a little ridiculous.

Also, tw... what the hell are you TALKING about? I can follow each of your posts for one paragraph and then... are you drunk or something?

Hey I agree with you but here is the rub. It is not the "censorship of everything radical, or even appearing radical" as much as it is taking time honored traditions and eliminating them for purposes of political correctness for fear of meeting disaproval of a MINORITIY persons or special interest groups. The laundry list of such attempts at social reengineering abound. It is out of hand.

DanaC 11-18-2007 11:14 AM

Yah, but it's rarely the actual legislators making that error. Often it is local officials getting terribly risk averse and not wanting to offend anyone. Often, though, it is completely apocryphal. I cannot tell you the amount of times people have said to me, "They wouldn't allow Christmas lights in Bradford last year in case they offended the muslims". This has become repeated by people so many times it has become 'truth' despite the fact it is utterly untrue.

Another classic: went into a shop that sold toys and noticed a rack of Golliwogs....I was slightly startled. I asked the woman behind the counter "are people still allowed to sell those?"....she said "Oh yeah, but you can't call them golliwogs they're Gollies now". I looked unconvinced, she said "They're not racist, they're just a nostalgia toy'. I said "But of course they're racist....they're a caricature of black people".

She said..."No they're not. Besides, anything's racist these days. You can get in trouble for saying blackboard or asking for a black coffee in a cafe".

Again.....something that's been repeated so many times it has become 'true'. This ludicrous idea that people get in trouble for asking for their coffee black, or for describing a black object as black, is something whch people have repeated to each other, usually accompanied by the phrase "it's political correctness gone mad" so often they've made it true in their own minds.

There are so many letters to newspapers, or political leaflets which propogate these lies that they become reality. They're not reality. They are just people's made up bullshit to justify their own feelings of racial animosity towards other parts of the community.

TheMercenary 11-18-2007 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 408262)
Yah, but it's rarely the actual legislators making that error. Often it is local officials getting terribly risk averse and not wanting to offend anyone. Often, though, it is completely apocryphal. I cannot tell you the amount of times people have said to me, "They wouldn't allow Christmas lights in Bradford last year in case they offended the muslims". This has become repeated by people so many times it has become 'truth' despite the fact it is utterly untrue.

Another classic: went into a shop that sold toys and noticed a rack of Golliwogs....I was slightly startled. I asked the woman behind the counter "are people still allowed to sell those?"....she said "Oh yeah, but you can't call them golliwogs they're Gollies now". I looked unconvinced, she said "They're not racist, they're just a nostalgia toy'. I said "But of course they're racist....they're a caricature of black people".

She said..."No they're not. Besides, anything's racist these days. You can get in trouble for saying blackboard or asking for a black coffee in a cafe".

Again.....something that's been repeated so many times it has become 'true'. This ludicrous idea that people get in trouble for asking for their coffee black, or for describing a black object as black, is something whch people have repeated to each other, usually accompanied by the phrase "it's political correctness gone mad" so often they've made it true in their own minds.

There are so many letters to newspapers, or political leaflets which propogate these lies that they become reality. They're not reality. They are just people's made up bullshit to justify their own feelings of racial animosity towards other parts of the community.

There may be some truth to what you state as an observation among people and converstation. The news is FILLED with acts of Political Correctness Gone Wild. It is out of control. Minority groups and individuals should not have the power to change things for the majority unless there is a good reason for it. Becasue you are easily offended by a display, a flag, owr whatever doesnot mean people should fall down and make you happy. Screw that.

DanaC 11-18-2007 12:07 PM

Well, I can't comment about American news, but I know our news is filled with such stories which later turn out to be false. The Christmas lights in Bradford are a classic example. Another is the story of some councils banning the flying of the Union Jack on St George's day, whilst allowing the Asians to festoon the place with lights at divali. Not one council has banned the flying of the flag on St George's day. Yet that was a news story. Similar in tone if not in content to the story of asylum seekers killing swans for food. That story was completely made up, proved to be so and provoked question in the House of Lords about responsible journalism, yet still people repeat it as if it had happened. My own father, and he is not a stupid man, repeated to me the story of asylum seekers killing swans for food.

Just because the media is full of stories of political correctness gone mad, doesn't mean the stories are true. Some will be....many won't. All will be indiscriminately repeated for years to come. Political correctness gone mad, sells news. It peaks our interest and ruffles our outrage.

Kitsune 11-18-2007 12:26 PM

Just for fun, I did a search for "political correctness gone mad". This one is hilarious.

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 408266)
The news is FILLED with acts of Political Correctness Gone Wild. It is out of control.

I agree -- why does the out of control news media even report on this? They actually perpetuate the problem by turning non-taboo issues into fake ones, pushing the buttons of people that are easily whipped into a frenzy by these reports that treat them as a person attack. It isn't as if these ridiculous ideals are actually accepted by society.

Now, if people simply ignored these self made "problems"...

Sundae 11-18-2007 12:41 PM

Anyone who says political correctness gone mad/ wild in my presence is either decapitated or just never trusted again. Depending on my mood.

It took me a loooooong time to persuade my mother that polish workers could not claim full child benefit for every child that they had in Poland, also that the same Asian children weren't being passed from house to house to claim extra benefit as the names were all the same on the birth certificates anyway.

It's tabloid journalism gone mad!

DanaC 11-18-2007 12:43 PM

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It's tabloid journalism gone mad!
lol. Nice.

Aliantha 11-18-2007 03:36 PM

I had a golliwog when I was kid. She was beautiful. I loved her better than any of my other dolls. In fact, I paid no attention to any other doll or soft toy at all.

Then the dogs chewed her up. I was very very sad.

TheMercenary 11-18-2007 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune (Post 408274)
I agree -- why does the out of control news media even report on this? They actually perpetuate the problem by turning non-taboo issues into fake ones, pushing the buttons of people that are easily whipped into a frenzy by these reports that treat them as a person attack. It isn't as if these ridiculous ideals are actually accepted by society.

Now, if people simply ignored these self made "problems"...

That is the point...

TheMercenary 11-18-2007 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl (Post 408278)
Anyone who says political correctness gone mad/ wild in my presence is either decapitated or just never trusted again. Depending on my mood.

It took me a loooooong time to persuade my mother that polish workers could not claim full child benefit for every child that they had in Poland, also that the same Asian children weren't being passed from house to house to claim extra benefit as the names were all the same on the birth certificates anyway.

It's tabloid journalism gone mad!

So you would never trust me if I said that to you in person? What is your major bitch then? You get that from a single example about child claims? Hell, I work with all kinds of freaky OCD people who believe all the urban myths they hear about from friends or read on the internet... that is a diffferent issue. We are not talking about urban myths.

Sundae 11-19-2007 04:09 AM

It's the phrase I hate. It is used to cover everything from using the word Inuit to Eskimo, recognising holidays other than Christian and not pinching co-worker's backsides.

So-called political correctness is about righting wrongs that still exist in society. I don't believe it has ever gone mad like a rabid dog, savaging people right and left for having "incorrect" ideas. Therefore as soon as I hear the cliche I steel myself for the rubbish that is about to ensue.

Shawnee123 11-19-2007 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 407937)
I was just watching the 'Wizard of OZ' when I suddenly realized: Santa does not say "Ho Ho Ho" in Munchkin land. He says "Heh Heh Heh". In which case, this entire thread is moot.

Santa's in the Wizard of Oz? :confused:

It's really not a problem until Santa starts saying "Nappy Headed Ho Ho Ho."

ZenGum 11-19-2007 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 408507)
Santa's in the Wizard of Oz? :confused:

It's really not a problem until Santa starts saying "Nappy Headed Ho Ho Ho."


:lol: !

I thought TW's connection was out there, unless it was supposed to be an Oz/Aussie link, but even then I couldn't see it.

Shawnee123 11-19-2007 10:18 AM

I think tw gets all the good drugs. :angry:

:p

ZenGum 11-19-2007 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 408301)
I had a golliwog when I was kid. She was beautiful. I loved her better than any of my other dolls. In fact, I paid no attention to any other doll or soft toy at all.

Then the dogs chewed her up. I was very very sad.

Sounds like a scene from an anti-slavery novel.


Sometimes I'm a sook, but it upsets me when a child's loved toy gets senselessly destroyed ... so sad, so incomprehensible. Yet part of learning about the world I suppose. :(

TheMercenary 11-19-2007 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 408518)
I think tw gets all the good drugs. :angry:

:p

FOr the twin brother of The Uni-bomber, yea, he's on something.

DanaC 11-19-2007 12:13 PM

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So-called political correctness is about righting wrongs that still exist in society. I don't believe it has ever gone mad like a rabid dog, savaging people right and left for having "incorrect" ideas. Therefore as soon as I hear the cliche I steel myself for the rubbish that is about to ensue.
Well said Sundae. Personally, I think that the worst thing that can be said about 'political correctness' is that sometimes people who should know better are a little overzealous in their attempts not to offend people....given that the worst that can be said for what came before political correctness was an acceptance of hideous and demeaning rhetoric and action on matters of race, sexuality, gender and disability, I'd say I'll accept the cons that go with the enormous pros of 'political correctness'.

Cicero 11-19-2007 12:34 PM

Ummmm.tw....was that.....a joke?!?
lol!!!
tw tried to make a joke?!?

Kitsune 11-19-2007 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 408548)
I'd say I'll accept the cons that go with the enormous pros of 'political correctness'.

Better ask Santa what he thinks of the cons of forcing himself to say "ha ha ha" this season.

http://fox.org/~vince/out/santa.jpg

rkzenrage 11-24-2007 02:53 AM

PC is a joke.
If you are not offending someone today you aren't saying anything worth hearing.

Sundae 11-24-2007 06:30 AM

When HM asked me which of the trainers I had at the gym I described university educated Lewis as black and fit but not overly muscular. Personally I didn't see the value in describing him the smaller nigger who works there.

ZenGum 11-24-2007 06:55 AM

I'd do a clone thread but I don't think the joke has the mileage ...
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No Ho's in Australia

No Ho-ward's in Australia either! :)

(well I guess that should read no Howards in Australian parliament, meh.)

EDIT: Is "ho ward" another term for a pimp?

Urbane Guerrilla 12-01-2007 04:25 AM

Political Correctness is an achievement of the Thought Police.

Aliantha 12-14-2007 01:54 AM

just thought I'd let you know that one of the santas hired by the company that decided there'd be no ho-ing got sacked for saying ho ho ho. I suppose they'd written it into his contract, so it wasn't illegal, but still, it's just stupid if you ask me.

btw...HO HO HO!!!

Sorry if I've offended any of you ho's out there. ;)

Kitsune 12-14-2007 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 409821)
PC is a joke.

And so, it appears, is this all of this made up nonsense.

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1. Are Westaff-recruited Santas being told not to say "ho, ho, ho"?
Absolutely not. In Australia, Westaff Santas are encouraged to assess a child’s reaction and act accordingly; this may include using various tactics for relieving children’s fears like adjusting their tone of voice.

2. What were the exact directions given to Santas regarding saying "ha, ha, ha"?
Westaff-trained Santas were directed to simply be sensitive to children’s needs. If a child appears frightened, they were directed to try different tactics such as "toning down" their voice or joking with the child to make them feel more comfortable.

3. How many Santas were instructed not to say "ho, ho, ho"?
None. Westaff of Australia hires and trains more than 500-600 Santas for such retail giants as David Jones Department Stores. In an effort to make every child’s experience with Santa fun and memorable, Westaff Santas go through training where they learn how to greet children. "Ho, ho, ho" is still permitted language for Westaff Santas.

4. Who developed and approved the guidelines?
While Westaff develops the training for Santas, it is based on their clients’ direction. Westaff clients like David Jones totally approve of Westaff’s training program for their Santas.

5. Whose decision was it to eliminate "ho, ho, ho"?
Westaff did not eliminate "ho, ho, ho," rather they provided guidance for Santas on other friendly greetings when dealing with a child that might be uncomfortable. We want every child’s experience with Santa to be fun and memorable.

6. Was this a client request?
No. Westaff simply was trying to guide their Santas on being sensitive to children’s reactions.

7. What about offending women? Was that a factor in instructing Santas not to use "ho, ho, ho"?

Westaff Santas were not instructed to eliminate "ho, ho, ho" from their greetings. Westaff Santas were simply provided with ideas on how to be sensitive to children, especially those who may appear uncomfortable by Santa.
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A 70-year-old man named John Oakes, who worked as a Santa in an Australian department store, asserted he had been fired for saying "Ho ho ho!" and singing Christmas songs to children. His claim was disputed, however, by Westaff, who said Oakes had been dismissed because of his poor attitude toward the job and not for his ho ho ho-ing.

ViennaWaits 12-15-2007 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 409821)
If you are not offending someone today you aren't saying anything worth hearing.

:D
Are you running for office? You've got my vote!

Urbane Guerrilla 12-20-2007 02:25 AM

Canned runways, two-hundred-dollar Santas, and hard liquor by the bottle.

I have no idea how this is going to turn out.

tw 12-20-2007 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 417989)
Canned runways,

What is a canned runway?

TheMercenary 12-20-2007 10:21 AM

http://www.whiteline.com.au/funnies/...Centerfold.jpg

Urbane Guerrilla 12-29-2007 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 407595)
You really need to get a better pilot who can the runway.

Perhaps I should ask you. Oh wait, I did, right there on the first page.:rolleyes:


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