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It appears the religion of Scientology is progressing so fast it has just split into two sects. Quote:
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Yeah, why do people need to join a group? We all, obvioulsy, believe things a little differently. These people are fighting over defining a group that shares their beliefs. Here's an idea: believe whatever you want and have the courage to stand for your own convictions.
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It appears the religion of Scientology is progressing so fast it has just split into two sects.[/QUOTE Scientology is not progressing anywhere fast, as an organisation it is decreasing rapidly. Freezoners are just some of those leaving the sinking ship as criminal charges against scientology start to gather pace. Hubbard never anticipated the internet and the freedom of information it gives us. Thankfully now people don't have to lose decades of their lives, their families and large amounts of money before they find out that scientology is all lies with the sole purpose of emptying their bank accounts. Scientology's recent drive to purchase real estate is partially investment but also a PR ploy to give an impression of an expanding organisation. Just another lie. You only need to walk past these buildings to see how empty they are. And who's money is paying for that real estate? The poor people that believed the lies. |
Ok. I just heard a brief explanation of what Scientologists believe.
And now I'm like wtf. But I think my roommate got this from South Park so it might all be wrong. But something like 50K years ago aliens came, exterminated all other aliens, froze themselves on earth, found monkeys, put their alien souls into the monkeys, and became humans. Humans have an alien soul in them that scientology can suck out of you with a machine. Am I on target? Or at least batting 500? |
You're pretty much on target. Except it didn't cost you a penny to find out.
This site is interesting. Biased, but biased in favour of common sense in my opinion. Operation Clambake. I only started really looked into Scientology after reading about it in the Cellar. It's not such a big deal in the UK, but a colleague of mine once almost fell for their "take our personality test - OMG you're so damaged we can help you!" Luckily he was a trainee at the time, on a low wage - when he talked to his usually generous parents about Scientology they shocked him by saying if he had any more to do with them they'd stop paying his rent. |
Danggggggggggg thanks SG.
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The Scientologists have a huge building right at the corner of the University of Texas campus... I can't even begin to fathom the real estate value of the thing, and no way will they ever give it up.
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About 10 years ago, they took over a really cool old mansion across the street from my (then) apartment building. Everybody in the neighborhood was sad. Especially when they started hanging out on the corner, trying to get passers-by to see a "free movie."
I guess if you could stand the movie and whatever spiel came with it, it was a way to get to see the inside of the mansion... |
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Although I think WTFFFFFF? is more appropriate. Quote:
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On that theme, have you seen the movie Battlefield Earth ? One of the best laughs I've ever had.
Pity it wasn't meant to be a comedy. At least ... not the bits I was laughing at: the plot, acting, script ... "I always knew this was your destiny!" RatBrain. |
FREAKS!! And I'm surrounded by them. They OWN my downtown. My neighbors, my landlord are all of this 'belief'. These people patrol past my house on their little bicycles at all hours of the day and night. The youths march up and down the sidewalks, carrying satchels and looking serious. They are getting involved in the community because it builds 'trust', and they need that in order to acquire more recruits.
It is frightening and obnoxious. http://www.ami.com.au/~bradw/cos/Wakefield/us-01.html is a very long 'book', but a pretty good, in-depth look at their cult. They are known for aggressively pursuing anyone who has something negative to say about them, including internet message board posters and hosts. Beware. Stormie |
Stormie, you're just being parano
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Not that L. Ron Hubbard ever wrote fiction worth reading. I give new strange books a two-page test read. None of L. Ron's work ever passed. (A lot of Piers Anthony doesn't, either, and he's a better writer.)
Couple that with reading two biographies of L. Ron Hubbard back to back, and I'm totally immunized. I also tell LaRouchies to stick it. I've read issues of The New Federalist, thank you. |
The kind of think (okay, I meant thing, but think works too) you'd find in the Lyndon LaRouche party organ, The New Federalist, may be seen here. This is about ten years old, which seems typical of Googled-up references to TNF. Well, if it's not around any more, we're saving trees to eat up carbon dioxide, I guess.
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I bought Battlefield Earth at a second hand bookshop in Luxor (Egypt) because it was the biggest book there and I had another week to get through and was already bookless. I made it 3/4 of the way through. And for me, on holiday, in a foreign country and with a book I had spent money on, is unheard of.
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This is very good:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...de_scientology http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/CoS/index.html http://lmtbenefit.tripod.com/LMT.html They way they moved in and took over Clearwater is just amazing. They are in complete control of that city. http://www.shipbrook.com/jeff/CoS/timeline.html http://www.lisamcpherson.org/gabe.htm |
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Creepy, sad news.
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doesn't all major religion teach the same "core" belief --> Don't be an asshole.
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If so, then Scientology isn't major. It's "core" belief is that a fool and his money are joyfully accepted.
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Wow - I thought Narc-Anon was a branch of Alcoholics Anonymous, sometimes abbreviated to Alc-Anon. I've never needed it myself, but I will keep an ear out if I hear it mentioned in future. I'd hate for anyone relying on it as a life-saver to end up chained to a mattress bitten by cockroaches - that's the life they're trying to leave!
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This is a long post, but it comes from NNTP's alt.religion.scientology:
Part 1: From: Bob Minton <bobminton@lisatrust.net> Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Subject: Demystifying Scientology's Fundamental Reality -- The BT's Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 14:33:32 -0400 Organization: Lisa McPherson Trust, 33 N. Fort Harrison Ave., Clearwater, FL 33755 Tel: (727) 467-9335 Lines: 307 Message-ID: <hirlmt8oah744s6eijvodi2uqjdn4ukqt2@4ax.com> Reply-To: bobminton@lisatrust.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p-995.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news2.lightlink.com!news.lightlink.com!gail.ripco.com!news.chaven.com!ord2-feed1.news.digex.net!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!intermedia!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!209.155.233.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: news2.lightlink.com alt.religion.scientology:1353486 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 18239 Demystifying Scientology's Fundamental Reality -- The BT's In Scientology, the information contained in its confidential "upper levels" is a closely guarded secret. Many people have paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to reach these levels, only to discover that had they known beforehand what these upper levels contained, they would not have paid for them. Others claim that even if they had known, they would have continued in Scientology. In the interest of full disclosure, we feel that anyone considering getting into Scientology should know what they can expect for their money. In the lower levels of Scientology, new Scientologists are taught to believe that the person or "pre-clear's" behavior and problems are caused by his "reactive mind." The reactive mind is the term used by Scientologists to describe a supposed force that causes a person to act irrationally or against his own best interest. Scientology seeks to convince a person that he needs to overcome his unknowing obedience to this reactive mind and clear himself of its influence. A person is promised that when he becomes "clear" of his reactive mind, he will be free from mental and physical problems. After reaching this much-touted "State of Clear," a Scientologist is then indoctrinated to believe that by paying for a further series of expensive "auditing" procedures, he will eventually attain a state known as "Operating Thetan," or "OT." In Scientology, one is taught that there is an entity, separate from the body, which is called a "thetan". One is promised that when the state of OT is attained, one will be able to fly around at will without one's body. One will be in complete control, in fact, over the entire physical universe of Matter, Energy, Space and Time. The OT levels are very secret in Scientology. People spend many thousands of dollars, sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars, to get onto these OT levels that are supposed to enable one to achieve such phenomenal abilities. No one has yet been able to exhibit any of these so-called super-human abilities, which on average cost USD 360,000, but many people are still trying. Some have been on these upper levels for as long as fifteen to twenty years. The most important secret of the upper levels is found on OT 3, called the Wall of Fire in Scientology. It is on this level that one learns the "secrets of the universe." One learns Hubbard's so-called truth about why human beings are so limited in their abilities, and what can be done to correct this. Hubbard's "diagnosis" for the suffering and insanity on this planet is the OT 3 incident - the "Fourth Dynamic Engram" in Hubbardspeak. Many people characterize this as the core belief of Scientology but it is not -- it is in fact the entire CORE of Scientology. Here is Hubbard's so-called factual and scientific truth that all Scientologist's must not only accept as reality but experience as reality: 75 million years ago, the galactic overlord for this sector of the galaxy was called Xenu. He was in charge of 76 planets, including Earth (at that time known as Teegeeack). All of the planets Xenu controlled were over-populated by, on average, 178 billion people. Social problems dictated that Xenu rid his sector of the galaxy of this overpopulation problem, so he developed a plan. Xenu sent out tax audit demands to all these trillions of people. As each one entered the audit centers for the income tax inspections, the people were seized, held down and injected with a mixture of alcohol and glycol, and frozen. Then, all 13.5 trillion of these frozen people were put into spaceships that looked exactly like DC8 airplanes, except that the spaceships had rocket engines instead of propellers. Xenu's entire fleet of DC8-like spaceships then flew to planet Earth, where the frozen people were dumped in and around volcanoes in the Canary Islands and the Hawaiian Islands. When Xenu's Air Force had finished dumping the bodies into the volcanoes, hydrogen bombs were dropped into the volcanoes and the frozen space aliens were vaporized. However, Xenu's plan involved setting up electronic traps in Teegeeack's atmosphere which were designed to trap the souls or spirits of the dead space aliens. When the 13.5 trillion spirits were being blown around on the nuclear winds, the electronic traps worked like a charm and captured all the souls in the electronic, sticky fly-paper like traps. The spirits of the aliens were then taken to huge multiplex cinemas that Xenu had previously instructed his forces to build on Teegeeack. In these movie theaters the spirits had to spend many days watching special 3-D movies, the purpose of which was twofold: 1) to implant into these spirits a false reality, i.e. the reality that WOGS (Hubbard's derisory term for anyone not a Scientologists) know on Earth today; and, 2) to control these spirits for all eternity so that they could never cause trouble for Xenu in this sector of the Galaxy. During these films, many false pictures and stories were implanted into these spirits, which resulted in the spirits believing in all the things that control mankind on Earth today, including religion. The concept of religion, including God, Christ, Mohammed, Moses etc., were all an implanted false reality that to this very minute are used to control WOGS on Earth. When the films ended and the souls left the cinema, they started to stick together in clusters of a few thousand and remained that way until mankind began to inhabit the Earth. Today on Earth all the spirits of these aliens have attached themselves to our bodies and are the root cause of the false reality that all but Scientology's "Homo Novis" or OT 8's on earth experience. It is the job of all Scientologists to remove this false reality from the world by auditing each and every space alien spirit and human on earth and the entire universe to CLEAR. For those who oppose Scientology and stand in their way like the Lisa McPherson Trust and all Scientology critics, Scientology promises to do away with them "quietly and without sorrow". We have calculated that on average, each person on planet earth has 2,209 of these Body Thetans (BT's for short), Hubbard's term for the alien spirits, attached to you causing you to be constrained by Xenu's false reality. The average cost for Scientology to OT 8 is a mere USD 360,000, meaning that each BT only costs USD 163 to clear. Now that is a bargain if there ever was one. Hubbard never said the overall cost to the planet would be cheap, but let's examine it. The planetary cost equation is as follows: 13.5 trillion spirits times USD 163 equals a mere USD 2,205,000,000,000,000. Just think about it -- USD 2.2 quadrillion -- WOW!, that's enough to keep Rear Admiral Miscavige, the current head of Scientology and Marty Rathbun, his number two, in casino chips for a long time. To finish the "factual" account, the Loyal Officers of the Marcab Confederation finally discovered how evil Xenu was and overthrew him. He is now locked away in a mountain on one of the planets and kept in by a force-field powered by an eternal battery. Several of Xenu's relatives can often be found on the internet newsgroup called alt.religion.scientology (or ARS for short) battling Scientology daily. Many Scientologists who have left from the highest levels of Scientology have told us that they have been in a room at Scientology's Sandcastle building in Clearwater, Florida for 5-7 hours per day for up to 15 years, holding two asparagus cans together, attached to a primitive lie detector, talking all day to these dead space aliens. And guess what? You'll never ever finish talking to dead space aliens until you leave Scientology. As we said, you are learning about this story in the interest of full disclosure. If you become involved with Scientology we want you to do so with your eyes open and fully aware of the sort of material it contains. And, if you're in Scientology you should know how you will be spending the rest of your life. |
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The following comments were made by an ex-Scientology auditor and Case Supervisor named Caroline Letkeman, who was highly trained (Class IX) to administer the Scientology "technology" on the Upper Levels of Scientology's Bridge, including OT3: Begin quote. In order for scn (Scientology) to "work" at the upper levels, the person must accept the OT 3 incident as a literal and factual matter. If the person does not experience the fragmented condition as a "conscious and literal fact", or if he cannot accept Hubbard's interpretation of the psychological phenomena expected at this level, the person is labeled a "bypassed case" and is sent back to redo his lower levels. I.e., his psychological state must be such that he can see his psychological complexes as external autonomous entities, and he must be able to literally address these entities with the exact volcano story as given by Hubbard. There is no getting around this point technically--either the incident is real and "processible" or the person has not validly made his lower grades. According to the technical materials of Scientology, there is no one on this earth who has escaped the incident or who is immune to its effects. That is why Hubbard labeled it as the "4th dynamic engram." Therefore, there is no further Bridge progress possible unless and until the person can subjectively experience the required psychological condition and its associated Hubbardian interpretation. The Scientologist at OT 3 is not addressed on the basis of his "beliefs" about Hubbard's materials. He is handled on the basis of Hubbard's "scientific" evaluation of his literal psychological condition. If the psychological condition of the person at OT 3 is not sufficiently fragmented and projected outward, he will not be able to accept the OT 3 incident as given by Hubbard as a valid interpretation of his condition. That Scientology publicly protests criticism of their "religious beliefs" is itself dangerously misleading, in my opinion. Hubbard did not characterize the OT 3 incident as a "belief"--he taught it as a factual incident and as a scientifically researched psychological explanation for the state that OT 3's find themselves in at that level. End quote. If you need to know more about Scientology, start at the following web sites: http://www.lisatrust.net/ and http://www.xenu.net/ and Scientology's own web site, http://www.scientology.org/. We do not object to anyone, Scientologists included, believing in alien cosmologies and practicing their truly held beliefs or even accepting the "reality" of those inter-galactic "events" as factual. We do have at least two problems, however, with Scientology's deception about its alien space opera-- First, Scientology lies when it says that it is compatible with all other religious beliefs. It cannot be and is not compatible with ANY religious belief since it clearly teaches that all religion is an implanted false reality. In fact, any other religious belief by a Scientologist is not even tolerated. Talk about your faith in Christ or about prayer in an auditing session and off to the Ethics Officer you will go for some PTS ("Potential Trouble Source") handling because you are indulging in "other practices". OT3, the level when a Scientologist learns about the alien cosmology and that religion is an implanted false reality, obviously ends any possibility of further illusion that Scientology can be compatible with ANY religious belief. Second, Scientology keeps its alien cosmology a secret for financial reasons. A Scientologist is required to go through a gradual progression of expensive steps before they are allowed to learn about the alien cosmology. They are told if they learn about it prematurely, it will create a life threatening situation -- it will give them pneumonia and they might die. We know of no reports of anyone ever getting pneumonia, much less dying from exposure to Xenu and the alien story. Hiding the truth about this space opera serves several functions, including, a) recruitment -- few would join if they were told about the alien beliefs up front; b) money -- holding back the information buys time to collect more money from a recruit before the colorful information is revealed; c) control -- holding back the information allows Scientology to use the "tech" to indoctrinate and induce a person not to bolt when they do hear the alien story. This entire cover-up of this alien cosmology in Scientology is all about deception, lies and money. The Lisa McPherson Trust's mission is to expose the abusive and deceptive practices of Scientology and help those who have been victimized by it. Clearly, the deception and lies surrounding the alien cosmology is something we must stand up against. Let me make this clear: it is not the alien cosmology itself that we object to; it is the deception and lies surrounding it. We are all well aware that Hubbard wrote all the policies used by Scientology management today which are at the heart of the entire war that Scientology has declared on its critics. Hubbard wrote the "Manual of Dissemination," for example, in which he instructed his followers that the purpose of a lawsuit is to harass, not to win. He also wrote the "Manual of Justice," in which he says that a reporter who dares to write anything critical about Scientology should be harassed and intimidated until he shudders into silence. He also wrote "Attacks on Scientology, Additional Policy Letter," in which he details how to destroy the reputation of anyone who is critical of Scientology. There are many, many others, including the vilest of Hubbard's policies, the "Fair Game" policy which has been in continuous use by Scientology since it was written in 1967. Current management is revising these Hubbard policies for the reprints of the OEC and Tech volumes for legal and PR reasons, because Miscavige and his lawyers don't want the public to know how rabidly insane and vindictive Hubbard really was. But these are Hubbard policies, without any doubt. Current management continues to apply the original versions of these directives, but do not delude yourself that it was anyone but L. Ron Hubbard who wrote them. We have spent many hours with former Scientologists all over the world and have never hidden our feelings about Hubbard. To politely summarize those feelings, we think Hubbard was a sinister con man and believe that the vast majority of people who know anything about him share this view. While Miscavige may be seen as a monster, he is merely a proxy for carrying out the evil policies of L. Ron Hubbard. Miscavige is definitely not "misapplying" the evil parts of Hubbard's tech -- we believe he is using them just as Hubbard intended. Further, we believe the creed of Scientology has many noble elements to it but think the creed is a fraud because Scientology and most Scientologists do not act in accordance with their creed. The creed is pure PR and Scientology and most Scientologists are hypocrites. A simple example of this hypocrisy is that their creed says that all men have an inalienable right to free speech, yet in practice that right is only supported by the organization when the speech is laudatory of Scientology. Otherwise you are publicly labeled a bigot and hatemonger and the fair game policies are applied against you. One of the most difficult aspects of recovering from Scientology seems to be former members coming to terms with their irresponsibility while they were in Scientology. Over and over we have had ex-Scientologists say to us, "I didn't know about all these bad things going on in the organization," only to come back later and admit that they just didn't want to see it. Former Scientologists regret that they had bought into the management's lies so thoroughly that they couldn't see what was going on all around them. Many ex-Scientologists have told us that it was simply a lot easier not to have to take responsibility for these things. But everyone in the organization is responsible for what the organization is doing. Remember that Scientology breeds irresponsibility and that Scientologists become addicted to that irresponsibility. What else could happen when throughout your experience in Scientology firstly it's "Engrams" and your reactive mind that are the root cause of your problems; then it's space aliens (BT's); then when you think you have eliminated all your BT's you discover you've got drugged BT's, then sleeping BT's, then unconscious BT's and finally you find that the entirety of the physical universe is a false reality that can be done away with by auditing even more BT's so that you are able to step out of the physical universe and be above matter, energy, space and time. |
And, Finally, Part 3:
To better understand how Scientology works, go to the lisatrust.net website and read two articles by Stacy Brooks concerning auditing and how Scientology views the family. These articles can be found at the following, http://www.lisatrust.net/Tech.htm and http://www.lisatrust.net/Family.htm, respectively. Then, in combination with the previous articles, read the outstanding Cartesian Award winning essay by Erik Snead at http://www.lisatrust.net/literaticon...00/00erik.html to get an insight into how this addiction to irresponsibility happens. Scientology perpetrates fraud, abuse, deception and mind control on its adherents. These actions violate not only the law but also the human rights and civil rights of its members. Further, Scientology abhors criticism so much that it misuses the mantle of religion to promote and justify hatred and bigotry by its members, attorneys, private investigators and cult apologists towards critics. We will defend the right of anyone to practice any truly held belief they choose. After all, the U.S. Constitution, the U.N.'s Declaration of Human Rights and other noteworthy national documents grant this basic freedom to everyone. However, nothing gives people or institutions the right to engage in behavior that violates other peoples' rights or the law, even if they do so in the name of religious motivation. Bob Minton August 3, 2001 |
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They did well to hide behind pseudonyms, but their works are not silly enough to get out aloud as a contest in science fiction conventions, so even that fame is denied them. |
*chuckles* I'll be sure to avoid those authors, thanks for the heads up:)
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At least AA is the same as those who quit on their own. Religion is a bad substitute for another addiction... send your friends to a real program that uses behavioral replacement therapy and teaches them their triggers and how to deal with them. |
I think scientology learned a lot from the early Catholic church ... the more money you have, the closer you are to enlightenment/heaven/clear.
One of my friends supposedly had a Scientology hit-team after him because of his success at extricating people from their clutches. He laughs about it saying that they were looking for him in Sidney while he was in Perth. The biggest trick Scientology ever pulled was buying out CAN ... the Cult Awareness Network. They still maintain good information on a lot of cults, but deny that Scientology is a cult. |
These are important discussions. People should learn the truth about these hoaxters.
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Pel Torro among other picks for worst-ever novelwriting, and the choices vary wildly according to literary taste, but there are assorted useful links there. One chucklehead thought Time Enough For Love was about the worst -- can't see it myself -- but quite a few of the usual suspects showed up in the list. L. Ron You-Know-Who came in for a lot of it, with some mentions of Dune and parts thereof, and a bunch of the usual suspects. Alan Dean Foster is somebody to write better than -- if he can get published, you can too. I didn't happen to see if anyone nominated late Christopher Stasheff -- the poor man seems to have lost his touch. |
Time enough for Love was a great book! I loved that story. Right down to the spanking scene....good ol' Heinlein....'unreconstructed' comes to mind :P
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I read an Alan Dean Foster when I was quite young. One was enough.
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