Butthole barrages board with bullshit, gets busted by bruce
 

This seems out of place here. It would have looked better under "Home Base" in DucksNuts' "I'd like to nominate..." thread if you wanted to name xoxoxoBruce as Pooper Scooper of the month. :2cents:

Yeap. I'd agree with NB.

regardless...
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Where was that quote from, LJ?

Damn this job, I love it, but it's seriously cutting into my Cellar time. It's gotten so big I can't keep up with everything. Luckily, my husband ordered his laptop (liked mine :) copycat) so that means we will be getting the internets at home. Mwa ha ha !!

Boys Will B Boys

This thread, LR.

Well, sweetheart, it looks like you have a conundrum...do you love your stupid job that pays the bills and lets you and your hubby live? Or do you love us? Husbands and jobs come and go...the Cellar is forever.

I wrote this about tw earlier in the month when we had to have our intervention with him:

tw has been the way he is as long as I've been here--6 years and change.

I appreciate many of his points, and sometimes I even get a chuckle out of him. But he (along with a few other people on here) try too hard, IMO, to pull emotion out of their posts. And that is impossible...we are emotional people as a whole. So when these folks try to be unemotional, they come across as callous and asinine...and it understandably throws people for a loop.

Of course, it doesn't help that none of us have voices to rely on.

In the end, post how you want...just be aware of how you might come across. The Cellar is too decent of a place to be disrespectful to each other.

Rob was one of the "few other people" I had in mind. So, let me now tailor this quote to fit him:

Rob has been the way he is as long as he's been here--a year and change.

I appreciate some of his points, and sometimes I even get a chuckle out of him. But he (along with a few other people on here) try too hard, IMO, to pull emotion out of their posts. And that is impossible...we are emotional people as a whole. So when these folks try to be unemotional, they come across as callous and asinine...and it understandably throws people for a loop.

Of course, it doesn't help that none of us have voices to rely on.

In the end, post how you want...just be aware of how you might come across. The Cellar is too decent of a place to be disrespectful to each other.

We are the world
We are the children
:grouphug: [/sarcasm] :)

Irony?

Hypocrisy.

I don't want to tell people what to do.
Where have I done this?
If two parents have a kid I think they are equal. Some don't feel that is true, I debated the issue. Some can't keep their emotions out of a normal conversation, that is sad for them, but not my fault.
I also feel that all organizations that are not true service or charitable organizations should pay taxes equally with everyone else, again equality.
The opposite of hypocrisy.
Some people want to feel that they and their belief systems should be treated specially... again, not my problem, nor hypocritical.

rk, you state you beliefs in the manner of 'should,' as in, 'this situation should be this way, according to me,' and then after you get appropriately strong responses, follow it up with, 'the other/opposite idea that you're expressing is stupid/meaningless/beneath me.' That's when you end up upsetting and annoying people.

Your very intense belief systems are special to you, yet you denigrate others' beliefs. You do this continuously, and even insult people directly.

If you truly desire a non-inflammatory dialogue in response to your threads, you might want to try setting up your opening questions in a more diplomatic and informed way.

Is confusing?

He's not the only one to do this, though.

No, but then you put down other people's beliefs, which makes you look like a jackoff. Carefully reread blue's first paragraph.

Correct. We called tw out on this recently. Rob also posts a fuckton, and his style of posting detracts from the Cellar, IMO...and I suspect that I will get an amen from many other posters on this.

i don't really think he detracts from the board. maybe from some people's enjoyment of it, i guess....but he's a bit like having a current events forum spread all over the place. I said once that he should have his own forum where he could rant away but he got all offended. I only started this thread because I though bruce hit the nail right on the fucking head.


that said, i'd not ask him to leave.....just to be less of a butthole.

I find it difficult to discuss anything with RK on the forums because my impression is that he's usually saying..."I'm right, you're wrong." And there really isn't anything left to say to someone with that type of attitude.

I much prefer to engage in conversation with someone who is actually listening to what I say with the willingness to learn from the exchange. But if everything I say is met with..nope, you're wrong...and stupid...not to mention you have a reading comprehension problem, I'll quietly back away and go find something else to do.

Stormie

I don't think any of your conversation topics or views could be construed as normality. You usually can't even understand the scope and the breadth of the topics you yourself bring up, and start calling people names when they avidly disagree with you. Like,"sexist". I think of anyone, you are the one that gets out of hand, hiding behind a veil of loose, mainstream, and quite abnormal logic and ideas. You explain in great detail, common and specious thought. As if you've illuminated something that other people don't get. There would be nothing wrong with that if you would listen to people and know why they are asking the questions they ask- not to annoy you- but to let you arrive at the correct conclusion on your own....but you don't get it. Maybe your IQ is 170....not sure....but I have not seen great evidence of this. Genius's make connections where others cannot. I have not seen one shred of evidence that you ever have done this here on the cellar.
I don't believe your IQ is 170. I believe it's your opinion. Again.

I really don't care however, because you are a constant amusement.
:D


I am not saying any of this to make you angry....I think you think about (if you so choose), spending more time reading and considering the views of others. Not mine of course, because I apparently leave a bad taste in your mouth. The ones that you have grown to respect on this board. If anyone, I guess we'll be finding out.

I've had some good debates with rk on some stuff. He doesn't always follow the I'm right-You're wrong style, though of late this seems to be more the case. I believe he adds to, more than he detracts from, this community.

I also think there are times when he adds a certain insight that is uniquely his, just as we all do. Yes he can be a total dick at times...but then again so can most of us.

I know one thing though. There have been times in my life when I have been wrong on something (no? really? I hear you say, we'll not believe it, say it ain't so) and have continued to argue the case vehemently...despite and perhaps even because, a group of people disagreed with me (rghtly so) very vocally. Having firmly mounted my high horse, I found it very difficult to climb back down off it.

Just a thought.

I also know for a fact that rkz sometimes posts more extreme points of view because he's not really in control of himself because of the pain he's in. This leads to him being a lot more aggressive at times than he would otherwise have been.

I've pm'd him about what i've thought to be uncalled for responses and he's apologized saying that he didn't mean to sound that way etc.

Give the man a break would you. Don't be such a bunch of hypocrits.

How many times do I have to say that I think that number is bullshit? Again, it says a lot when people fixate on that number when I state that I know it is wrong.
I have recently apologized when I think I have been rude and will again if it is true.
Don't like me or my threads. why do you keep arguing with me (general question)?

give him a break? seriously???

HE should be in control of HIMself, and act like an adult. not grown up enough to carry on adult conversations without being a dick? don't participate.

it's not right that everyone else suffer his abuse. not my fault he's in the situation he's in.

misdirected anger.

Actually, I do like you...a lot. I don't necessarily agree with everything you post. But lately I sense quite a bit of hostility and contempt in your responses on this board and I am just not interested in putting my neck on your chopping block (althought the topic may interest me).

It's not just you, I'm not the kind of person you'll find swapping insults with or attacking anyone...IRL or on a message board. I do enjoy a thoughtful debate or exchange of ideas, and I do find many of those here, but in general I try to avoid getting involved with aggressive communicators.

In addition, the things I'm passionate about are things I deeply care about...so yeah, my emotions are involved. Issues that do not involve my emotions are usually those I'm more than a little indifferent or apathetic about. Personally, I think that an emotionally charged, intelligent debate is much more powerful than one from a purely intellectual point of view. More interesting too. So you and I differ on that aspect as well.

Stormie

Meh - I think that is harsh.

I dont see abuse, and *everyone* else?...gimme a break. RK is not running around the board throwing abuse around willy-nilly at anyone standing still.

He may be narrow minded on things *he* believes in, and I do agree with Stormie, that its hard to have a debate with someone who isnt receptive to other opinions......but abuse and misdirected anger? nup.

I dont agree with a lot of RK's opinions, but I appreciate some of the things he brings to my attention that I may otherwise miss.

I've read this in a couple of threads now - you saying that you've apologized, and I'm curious. Is this it? Or was it somewhere else? If so, can you gimme the link?

I appreciate that from him the most as we are such polar opposites on so many things. At times he goes overboard, yes, but his opinions offer an insight that is typically so foreign to mine that it sometimes opens intriguing perspectives.
He is certainly, IMO, not the most demeaning poster on the cellar.

who is, then, you little bitch?

you tell me lj136

lol......i was thinking of ...your mama

If she posts here I am in seriously DEEP SHIT.

I don't think Rob is the worst poster ever...he sounds like a fairly intelligent guy, and I suspect that IRL, he's a decent guy. I could care less what his opinions are per se...it's how they're said that gets old. He's following in the vein of people like tw.

Who's being hypocritical, Ali? Many of us have been unnecessarily harsh at times...Lord knows I have. And most of us are more than willing to cut slack. But that only goes so far. If you're repeatedly taking out your problems on an internet forum, perhaps you should find a better outlet. People have the right to their opinions and should be ready to defend them here. But people should also be able to express their opinions and disagreements without getting cut down and disrespected.

Having said that, Rob doesn't seem to think that there's an issue. *shrugs* No sense in flogging that dead horse.

OMG please NOOO- One is too many!

Sycamore, to me the hypocrisy is in the very same people who acted as if they cared so much when rkz was in hospital are also posting in this thread, which in my opinion is nothing more than a bashing thread.

Why must people live with such double standards? Or is it ok to be an arsehole to someone one minute and then the next be full of concern?

Maybe that's how it works in your part of the world, but not in mine.

I don't think it's about double standards, Ali.

What he had to go through recently sucks balls, and I hope he is recovering as quickly as possible. I have concern for him in that vein. On the other hand, I don't care for the guy because he's disrespectful to the Cellar and its posters. Is that a double standard? I don't think so.

For me it is a double standard. Either you care for someone or you don't. It's pretty black and white. Not too many shades of grey for me.

The way I see it is if you care about someone then you understand their motivations and reasons and if you know they're not doing so great and that they've clearly stated that they feel the place they're at ( in this case it's here ) is the only place they feel they can talk about the pain they're in, then why can't the regulars at least take that into account instead of making arses out of themselves by beating up on someone who is obviously not in the right frame of mind a lot of the time?

It's called compassion. You either have it for someone or you don't.

I gotta disagree with you Ali. Rage guy annoys the shit of of me when he acts like an ass. Even when I agree with his points (which is at least 50% of the time) I think he makes them poorly. If the guy is sick and in the hospital though, none of that really matters does it? It's like a time-out. Real life is taking precedence over over internet bullshit. He's a real guy with a real wife and kid who love him - of course I hope he recovers as quickly as possible.

If he's in too much pain to communicate like an adult on a BB when he does recover, that's on him. There are no wheelchairs on the internet. Even if there were, I don't think he would want one.

I think Syc makes a valid point, here. Just because you dislike the manner of expression someone uses does not mean you'd just as soon they suffer and die. Believe me, I've got some serious IRL experience with someone in the local Pagan community who has radical opinions and an incredibly offensive manner of self expression online. He makes me angrier than any other human being on the face of the Earth, but if he fell ill or suffered any real life trauma, I would still extend him my sincerest best wishes for positive changes in his condition.

I can't see being humane as being in any way hypocritical.

I can completely separate the internet rk from the real life one. On the internet, I disagree with much of what he says and the tone in which he posts it. However, I am concerned about his health in the real world. There are many folks I don't care for in my real world, but I certainly would not want anything to happen to them.

OK then, if you all do care so much about rkz's real life trials, why don't you give him a bit of grace when he goes over the top; knowing that often it's the result of being less patient because he's in pain?

Why do people on the internet have to enter into these types of character assassinations? What's the point? If you think the man is a dick then just ignore him. i just can't see the logic.

There are people here who I choose to ignore most of the time because they simply bore me with their monotony. Why have the same argument with the same person over and over again? What's the point?

*ahem*

smurf, you're new here. I don't think you understand the history enough to comment personally.

You don't like the guy. Ignore him. It's pretty simple.

Don't tell me what to do. Get off your high horse. This is my opinion, and I don't give a shit what you think. You're in the minority here, sweetcheeks.

Just because I'm in a bad mood, or "in pain", or whatever, I don't have the right to take it out on other people. That's immature, irrational, wrought with emotional instability, and shows a complete lack of general human respect for anyone. You wanna kiss his fat ass for his prize-winning cocksuckery - go ahead, more power to ya.

I've been around longer than you know, and certainly long enough to understand he's a miserable human being, and that it isn't MY or anyone else's fault, and that neither should I nor anyone else suffer his insults and anger because his life sucks fat donkey dick.

What a pathetic post. Just my opinion of course mate. I don't give a rats arse if I'm in the minority. Better that than a sheep.

You're a rude individual.

aw, what's wrong, dearheart? was I rude and abusive? tell ya what, why don't you make up a good excuse for me - after all, you were so creative with rkzenrage's.

thanks, lovey!

Ali,

Do you think Rage wants you to treat him differently because he is unwell? Do you think he deserves special treatment?? You dishonor him, more likely.

I can see taking it easy on someone who is demonstrably mentally incapable of knocking heads with a fully jaded and sharp bladed dwellar, but Rob is in full command of his mental faculties, and has more time at his disposal than most of us. advantage his. besides the dizzying intellect.....oh wait...

i see what you're saying....I'm afraid I am rather dim... You already knew all that, and you were trying to misdirect some of the chaff. carry on.

No Jim, I don't think he should be treated differently. That's why I don't think he should have an entire thread devoted to hating him/taking the piss out of him/passing judgement on him.

If there is one thing about this place that I don't like, it's these types of threads. I don't think they serve any purpose. Whatever happened to attacking the post not the poster? I have had as many run ins with rkz as anyone else. Maybe even more, but I'm not taking it personally. I don't agree with how he makes his point sometimes either, but those are the times I take it up with him rather than making a hero out of someone who happens to give him a serve.

If I started a thread about everyone that said stupid stuff around here I'd be starting threads all day long.

To add to this, I don't see why rkz should have been singled out. There are a couple of women currently posting on this site who've been complete bitches but did anyone start these types of threads about them? I don't think so. So what's the difference? If you can explain that I might understand where you're coming from.

I think she means me.


It's ok. I was a bitch. Though, actually, I'd be flattered if someone started a "Brianna is a Bitch" thread---coz attention,any attention,(plus the added bonus of alliteration!) is good----right?

:)

Right!

The difference, as the 'headline' indicates, is that the bitches are not starting several threads a day and hurling their views and morals at our heads like rocks. they're just bitching, as bitches are wont to do.

knowmsayin?

Ali said 'complete bitch' I am wondering which one of us is a bitch completely instead of just a lame one.

Polls need to be taken. Lame bitches to the left. Complete bitches to the right.

Glad I have never been a dick or arsehole before. Or you all might me talking about me.

Why wouldn't you just ignore them then? Why involve yourself in threads you don't like?

Brianna is a britch? (or is that assonance?)

I'm glad to see you're back.

The double standard I see is that many folks here post with the same demeaning tone that RK does, but no one "calls" them on it or starts a thread about them. Why not? Think about Bruce and Radar (and others) in the "do you own a gun" thread. Why no thread about that?:whofart:

You may start a thread, if you like.

I'm interested to find out the difference between Radar & Bruce's behavior and RK' behavior, and why there's no objection to similar behavior by others. Care to answer the question?

I think it would be important to note that in years past Radar has been called out repeatedly.

Bruce has been slapped around in individual posts, but the huge difference is that you look at his more aggressive posts in the context of the thousands of laid-back posts and cut some slack.

I don't know Rob. I tend ignore most of his threads not because I don't like him, but really just because there are so damn many of them and they generally have a pretty bitter undertone. That is not something I appreciate. So my choice is to just not go there. That isn't a judgement on him, it is a choice of what to do with my time.

Oh, and LJ's a dick and we should all start threads telling everyone what a creep he is.:cool:

That's totally unnecessary. There'd really be no "discussion" - even he agrees that he's a dick. :p


Cock!