Gun thread must die!
 

I've tried my best to kill it. I failed. Or at least bung it in the political ramblings forum or nothingland. But it's just name-calling circles now. not exactly the first thing you want newbs to come across. Well jmho anyway.

Sometimes people need to argue - what's so wrong about that? It's cathartic. If you don't like it.. blah blah blah...

I'm not trying to be shitty to you specifically monster, but sometimes the argument is interesting. What is never interesting is all the people chiming in to say stop it and tell everyone how immature they are.
:2cents:

Let 'em go at it I reckon.

I skim read them or dont bother at all...its that simple.

If newbies read them and judge the whole of the cellar on those kinda threads, they arent going to want to hang around long anyways.

Any forum worth a pinch of shit has volatile topic threads, I like them because it shows different sides of the *characters* I have come to know and love :) its more of a whole picture.

Damn Brits and their censorship.

I'm kidding, Monster.
Hey, I don't complain about the fru fru threads.

You'll be pleased to know there's been a significant thread drift today. :) I'm sure it'll be back on topic before long though.

Fair enough. :)

Sorry monster, I screwed up your efforts by being the next person to post. If I hadn't, then UG would've been the bottom burper. LOL

Just don't go in there. You are not the only one in here.

thanks, rkz.

I don't understand this trend, bitching about other's threads. This, people whining about Cloud's threads & being real assholes about it, mine and others... so what, really, are we supposed to care what you think?
What is the point?

That was some helpful advice, there. :D


(just poking fun, rkz)

I think it is excellent advice, don't like it, don't go in the thread... it is very simple.

People are always going into threads an leaving stupid comments like, In The Coffee Thread... "I don't drink coffee". It takes a real genius to do that. A real contribution.

I think we should all just stop posting new threads. That should solve the problem. :)

My only question is, what is it about guns that make perfectly reasonable people into complete ASSholes?

A lot of us do similar--including you and me. Jeez, not everything has to be a genius contribution. The Cellar would become The Graveyard.

I don't know... what is it about them that turns people into busybodies is what confuses me.

You want to let the Cellar just die, huh? Not gonna' happen.

I think it's because it's a very polarizing issue, like abortion and immigration. A lot of folks feel very strongly either way. But no one is ever convinced to change their minds.

I've been in the room when people have changed their mind. I have changed my mind on both abortion and the death penalty.

So, there's a chance I might change your mind about illegal immigrants? ;)

Sure, as long as it is rational. You are going to have a hard time convincing me that there is a rational reason to overturn our immigration laws, since they are some of the most liberal and easy to navigate in the world. That, and I feel that it is crazy to say that it is fair to reward people for harming the system and people's chances who are trying to get into this nation legally.
You don't reward people for cutting in front of you in line anywhere else... it would be silly to here where people's lives are one the line and it is criminals doing it... but you are free to show me a rationality for it.

sigh.

Those are reasonable criteria.

I was just trying to make a joke.

Got it.

I'm waiting for the gun thread arguments to end so the participants can get on with their make up sex. Man oh man, that's going to be one hell of an orgy! :eek:

We're all entitled to our opinions on threads and the tone of the Cellar. Just look at how quickly people who post in txtspk are told that we don't like it here.

Differing public opinion makes this place what it is. I found out I was in the minority when I complained. Good. I needed to know that, I'm over myself now. You?

Want to censor my opinion?

When I don't like a thread, I punch my computer monitor. Well, not the actual monitor, but a plexiglass safety panel I installed in front of the monitor to protect it from whatever it is that keeps making them not work anymore.

I swear to God, if I have to punch one more broken monitor I am gonna seriously punch something.

Nope, I just want to know why you care what others are doing when it does not affect you at all? Especially when the way you express that is hurtful to them. Busybody much?

:eyebrow:

You don't ever argue miss.

Grief, peeps, it was JMHO as stated in the OP. Y'all said you disagreed, I said fine, what's with all the bitching?

...But to suggest I was wrong for commenting ...well that's just wrong. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine. Simple, no? As for comments on other threads ....remind me (or you) what Cellar Meta Forum is about?

OK...you're all wrong! I'm the only one around here that's right. Just ask...

well...

me. :)

I become a complete asshole in a gun thread because I treat people as they treat me. In the “do you own a gun?” thread, Clodfobble and I had a civil discussion – we disagreed without name-calling or insults. I acknowledged that she was right and I was wrong when she pointed out that I would try to change the minds of the jungle tribe that sacrifices children. We didn’t change each other’s minds, but we remained civil. I think that most pro-gunners view anti-gun people as being weak – they think we’ll run away from a nasty attack. I won’t.

People who would use a handgun on another human being are inherently aggressive. They have to be, since the intention of having a handgun is, at its most extreme conclusion, to kill someone who threatens them, someone near them, or their stuff. They also have to be inherently paranoid, because they live their lives with the anticipation that something bad will happen to them. So why do they turn into Assholes? Because they don’t want to admit that they’re scared, or that they would actually take someone’s life. Beyond those reasons, it’s hard to defend having a handgun. And when their other rationalizations fail, they resort to what they naturally do – they shoot the opposition with names, instead of bullets. They insult, belittle and ridicule their opponents, like pointing a handgun at them. When you are pointing a handgun at someone, you don’t have to talk anything out, do you?

Most handgun-owning Cellarites justify owning a handgun by saying they need it to protect themselves, and their stuff, in their home. Some have other reasons, some won’t state their reasons, but predominately, that’s the justification. A handgun is not the most effective way to protect a home or stuff. [Someone] scoffed at floodlights and bars on the windows, but when they’re used with alarms and good locks, they will keep her safer from a potential intruder than having a handgun inside the house. If you don’t secure your perimeter, you could be woken out of a sound sleep being poked with the barrel of a gun. How would your handgun help in that situation? If you answer your door, and the intruder pushes through and beats your brains in as you try to get to your handgun, how did it help? If you answer the door with your handgun in your hand, loaded, with the safety off, or sleep with it in the same condition, under your pillow, bad things can happen. It would be easy to accidentally discharge the weapon, or for a child to get hold of it, with all the negative consequences of that, or for the intruder to get possession of it and use it on the owner or the owner’s family.

I also told you to piss off when you PM'd me just to call me a dick becuase you apparently weren't fighting with enough people already. You're not debating spex, you're being a troll, and you're not worth my time.

monster - maybe we need a "Gun thread must die! thread must die!!" thread? :)

I did not call you a dick. Stop lying.

Problem is that some folks don't know how to handle it when someone disagrees with them. Inability to separate the ego from the opinion. Any disagreement is seen as a personal attack.

Gotta pick and choose with whom and over what.

I never insulted you nor implied insult or weakness on your part. What you said to me was out of left-field and undeserved. I could care less if you dislike me. If you dislike me, ignore me, just don't respond to my posts. There is no call for insulting me, or anyone else, for no reason. It is just a discussion, nothing more.
Then you go off and apologize to everyone except me, the person who never insulted you, now you act like you had a reason for freaking out? Cute.

Many people own handguns to target practice, as collectibles, as art, as heirlooms... you make assumptions.
Handguns are not perfect, but they are better than not having one. People keep saying it, you keep choosing not to read it.
But, if you believe all of that, cool... don't buy one.

Bullshit. Cite.
Bullshit. Cite.
Bullshit. Cite.
Bullshit. Cite.Bullshit. Cite. Bullshit. You just made six blanket accusations of everyone that owns a handgun. Six condemnations, of millions of people, that you pulled out of your ass. Six opinions that you try to pass off as facts, with nothing to remotely back it up. That makes you a liar.
I suggest you talk to your local Fire Marshal before encouraging people to put their lives in danger. You should write children's books. They don't care if you don't know what your talking about and will overlook glaring misinformation and outright lies. They live in the same fantasy world you do.

Solely my opinion - and I'm tired of having to explain things to you.

You're right. I re-read the thread, and my response to your post was much harsher than you deserved. Please accept my sincere apology.

I do, thank you.

Explain it to me then... I'd write the same damn things as xoB.

Nothing quite so shameful as prejudice the holder is proud of.

What do you dispute?

Everywhere xoB says BS, I was saying BS along with him.

Same here.

Me too.

Personally, I think that you are so insecure in your beliefs that you construct these grand, sweeping generalizations to delude yourself into thinking that there is actually some substance to your opinions.

Hell, I think both sides do that...

It's my opinion, and I'm comfortable with it as it stands. I believe it's self-explanatory. If you think it's bullshit, I don't care - and I'm not going to explain myself. No pro-gun poster here has been asked by you to justify his/her statements like this - if you agree with them, they get a free ride. I'm not gonna play that game. If you want to do the work and prove that my points are wrong - go ahead - in fact, I encourage you to do it. Just saying bullshit doesn't make it so.

:lol: I think you may be right. But at least it's now down here instead of "up there" maybe? Ah, who cares, pool's open, summer's here :D

You want me to prove that all gun owners aren't inherently aggressive paranoid assholes? Done and done, son. Known many of 'em that weren't. Some of the best people I've known.

Don't you see, your rant was inherently aggressive, and paranoid and I'll stop there. Doesn't matter what side it's from, it's the irony that got to me. I've known the worst racists who couldn't construct a richer stereotype than you just did. Gotta be proud of that shit and whoa, you obviously are.

Hey, can you identify a gun owner by sight? Or do you have to hear him talk first?

You're right, not directly, I just read it again.

But intelligent people understand and know you're right, so those that don't (that's me) are either "a dick" (your words) or what? Stupid?

Don't PM me again. I think you're acting like a troll and won't be reading your posts.

edit: For the record, I couldn't care less about the name-calling. I was calling bullshit on Spex's claims of "everyone else started it!".

Second... SHit load of double standards around here. One group can bitch and moan, others cannot. One group can name call, others cannot. One group can drop "thread bomb" pictures, other are ver boden... I don't understand it.

Where have I heard that before??? Hmmm...

Oh, that's right! I said it as well...:D

Good, then you'll stop commenting, too.

You aren't explaining anything to me or anyone else. You just keep launching the same unwarranted carpet bombing of all gun owners. Bombers should expect, and deserve, flak.

When, pray tell, has anyone stopped you for thread bombing?

The only thread that could even slightly be considered technically "thread bombed" by me would be your gay hot guys thread. And I did it in jest. I thought it was some pretty funny shit. Others not so. Some people don't get the joke and that is ok.

Spamming a thread with a deluge of obviously off-topic posts of guys that are clearly not hot has absolutely nothing to do with thread bombs.

Thread bombing is not the same as thread killing.

All of that is your opinion, which is really not important to me. But please carry on...:fumette: