Alec Baldwin is a scumbag
 

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That kid should not have to speak to him if she does not want to, ever.

He is a scumbag and so is Kim Bassinger. How embarrassing for the kid that her Mom released the tape.

Bassinger released it? Damn, she is nuts!

Divorce issues can get pretty ugly. He shouldn't take it out on the daughter, but we don't know what led up to this.

And I gotta say, I hope we never do.

He said it, that she was not answering his calls.
So what?

When things build up, you may only mention the latest thing when you explode.

We know next to nothing.

How do you know the kid didn't release it?

If she did, the family has even more problems.

We know what he said to his daughter...he s a scumbag.

I don't care if she's twenty an burneed his car to the ground... he's a scumbag.

Any father that calls his daughter a pig is himself a pig.

Hmmmm.

By what standards are you judging this guy? Do you know what the language norms are in the family? Do you know the history behind the scheduled calls? Do you know her? Do you know him? Yup, he lost his temper. This happens. It isn't good , but it happens. Who's truly ready to cast the first stone? Should he be better than everyone else because he's in the public eye? Should we really be entitled to view his personal fuck-ups because he's in the public eye?

No doubt, it's not a good father-daughter moment -has nobody else had one of these? I'm hot-headed -I've had plenty of mad moments with my kids. Beest (hubby) is as placid, easy-going and nice as you could ever want a person to be ....but he's had his fair share of rows with the sprogs too. But we're lucky, we aren't famous.

I've called my daughter far worse things than a pig. So has Beest. None have been inappropriate. But then we don't go the "bad words" route. Meaning and intent are what we care about. Yup, we're weird. If our kids are being bitchy, we tell 'em so. Pig would be pretty mild.

How horrible. There is no reason for this man to be talking to an 11 year old girl like that.

Nope, never spoken to a kid like that, mine or anyone's, never. He did not only call her a name... it went far beyond that.
Yep... throwin' the stone.
He should not be around her until he gets serious help.
It is not about the words, it is about context, tone, what he was doing, why and how.
I don't care about "bad words".
Scumbag.

Big difference between saying "don't be a pig" and what he said and how.

I just heard on the news that a court temporarly suspended his visitation rights.

I make a very clear distinction between what a mother can say to her daughter and what a father can say to his daughter. A father simply cannot speak to his daughter that way. A mother has considerably more latitude with her daughter - a little less with her son but father-daughter is, in my opinion, the most delicate of the 4 possible parent-child gender combinations. Especially a twelve year old. If she's 18 or 19 then she already knows who she is - no big deal but at twelve? I find that difficult to accept under any circumstances.

And let's not forget that they weren't in a heated exchange where sometimes things can get out of hand. He was the only one talking and he was talking to a recording device.

Good job. Hopefully he can't call her.

Mothers have to many rights.

They have the same number of rights as fathers.
What are you talking about?

Maybe. Do you know the girl? Do you have an 11/12yo girl? Neither do I. But I know a few 11/12 yo girls. I don't like what I am hearing from this guy, but I don't think it merits crucifiction. No denying he's an asshole, but no proof he ain't being provoked.

This clip was leaked to the press. Does the leak benefit the daugher? Or the Mom? That should give an idea of the possible provoction level.

My mum use to prevent me answering calls from my dad. Most of the time she let the phone ring. Sometimes she picked up and told him I didn't want to talk to him. She told me I didn't want to talk to him because he was abusive and would try to turn me against her. (He's an utter pillock, but was never abusive -it took me a long time to work this out) She was my mom. I believed her. My dad got angry. He shouted. He got pissed off with me and my sister because he was told that we didn't want to talk to him. We then hated him because we didnt know what our mom had told him, but we knew he made her mad and because he might be "abusive" if we went to visit him.


Get the picture?

No, they have more. Lots more. Talk to any divorced father and you will have a PhD in mother's rights in about five minutes.

I have a picture, not yours... in mine it is still not ok for him to take it out on you.

Not OK, but not inhuman. One needs to make allowances for humans occasionally. They aren't perfect. Most are lucky enough not to be in the public eye when they fuck up. He wasn't.

I heard the full call on Glenn Beck's show this morning.

I consider it proof that some people shouldn't breed.

Chances are that the child at 12 is more mature than both of her parents.

There is a steep price for early maturity.

Sure... but that has nothing to do with the need for accountability.

Who's to say that the content of this call was an occasional human error (ie: maybe he does it all the time)? Or that it was the worst of what he subjects his daughter to? How do we know that whether or not this is 'normal' for AB? Or that the things he said were mild compared to other tirades?

We don't. So I base my opinion solely on this incident and quite simply, he was an abusive asshole.

I have an 11 yr old daughter. She's a handful, defiant and mouthy. But she would never deserve to be called a pig or ranted at.

As for releasing the tape to the media? Sorry, I think this was a good thing. Verbal abuse is mostly behind closed doors when the abuser drops the public 'act'. People who are not the target often don't believe the charming, personable, friendly people would actually say such nasty things. I often wished I had a tape of my exhusband calling my 9yr old son a useless, worthless, piece of shit m*therf*cker. Maybe just to remind ME later that it was really as bad as it seemed at the time.

I've never understood why some people treat the ones they 'love' much, much worse than they treat colleagues and strangers. Blows my mind. And I see no reason to help them maintain their facade.

Stormie

Spoken like a parent with experience. When all the "arm chair" parents get a chance to step into the arena they will never have clue...

I've been a parent for nearly 11yrs now and I have never spoken to my kids with such malice. It's fairly obvious he was pissed off with his daughter, but geez, she's just a kid for christs sake. You just don't put shit like that on your kids. It's not that he called her a pig multiple times. It's that he would leave a message on her phone saying it. If I was that mad at my kids I'd never say something like that on a message. I'd want to be standing in front of them and explaining exactly what it is I was angry about. Not just resorting to pathetic namecalling because I'd lost my cool.

It's just not good form.

I agree, she is the scumbag for putting this out in public. :cool:

The daughter released the phone message. I will lay money on it. Just you wait and see.

You think an 11 year old contacted the press??? So mommy never knew until she released it? Maybe mommy should get some spyware. :D

An 11-year-old daughter of two very famous celebrities? "Media savvy" would only be the tip of the iceberg.

While I accept that people can lose their tempers and parenting is an incredibly hard job (and one I have chosen not to take up so far because of my personality) I don't think it was an appropriate message to leave on an 11 year old's phone.

Any parent that lowers themself to the level of the child will lose respect very quickly. Calling her a pig on an answerphone is not the same as losing it when she is standing in front of him and saying it in the heat of the moment. I only heard the message once, but I certainly thought the tone was threatening - when he said that he would be seeing her soon (a week I think) and they were going to have it out face to face. Then again I was listening to it from my personal point of view of a daughter - if my Daddy had ever left me a message like that it would have provoked a near-hysterical reaction on my part. Perhaps that's because my father was slow to anger and wasn't prone to over-reaction.

It does seem a shame that with all the effectively fatherless children out there, a man who probably loves his daughter very much is pushed beyond reason by not being allowed an open relationship with her. But I agree that he should get some help before being able to contact her again.

Yep, both scum. I remember hearing years ago that Kim Basinger said about Neil Simon: what does HE know about comedy?

Stupid twat. I don't care who released it. Now I know Baldwin is an ass, I am now sure I was right that Basinger is a bitch, and if the daughter released it it's just another apple not falling far from the freak-tree.

http://emuse.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/19508
Hollywood effect.

Anybody else think Baldwin was high on something when he made the call?

Meanwhile, I'm remembering what Kim Jong-Il sang about Alec Baldwin in Team America: World Police.

And the guy never did use that plane ticket to "leave the country" as he said he would...

He sounded drunk or high and if she is in a fight to protect her child from him it is smart, right a good idea to expose him for the man he IS.
If he does not want people to know he is an abuser he should not abuse. It is very simple.

Ms Basinger claims she did not release the tape. Wonder who did it? I bet Clodfobble was right when she said the daughter.

Either way... I have no issue with it. It is the truth.

I guess that's true. I reacted too suddenly to the whole thing at first because I have no respect for Kim anyway...but an abusive person is an abusive person, and Alec sure sounded like one to me. Brings shudders.

And I always liked him in movies.

It is one piece of the truth. You haven't heard the rest of the truth, and don't know if this piece of the truth is representative of the whole.

There is no excuse for him talking to her like that, he is the adult. Whatever issues he has with her mother are not between he and his daughter.

He was addressing the issues he has with his daughter... her being a manipulative little cunt... just like the people that raised her.

So what? That means nothing.
It is not the what, it was the how.

I agree with that. But it has nothing to do with whether this one voice mail is "the truth."

It is fake?

See post 41.

So what? first of all, you don't know how that family normally adresses each other. Secondly, it's none of your business. Thirdly, who the fuck are you to tell anyone how to live their life.

Oh, ok... then if a parent beats their kids because that is the way it is done in their family, always has, you have no say?
What he did is abuse, it does not matter that this was the first or hundredth time. That he got caught is a good thing.
Yes, society has a right to put boundaries on assault, for all it's citizens, especially kids.

It's your opinion that it was abuse. That doesn't make it so. You are not the judge, jury or even the sheriff.
Dr Spock has produced a bunch of self centered, whining, babies.

When my mama got loud, I retracted and became passive-aggressive.

When my mama yelled at me for things I admitted, I stopped talking. I wound up with a minor case of social phobia.

If he wants the girl to answer her phone, this is exactly the way to guarantee it won't happen.

Baldwin made it clear that it was all about him.

The 2nd half of the message:

What's her response?

A) Gee dad, I can't wait to see you. I'm anticipating the 20th with glee because every day I don't get to see my missing father is sad.

B) I really hope the plane explodes in mid-air.

C.) Like hell you're coming to see me, assmunch. I'll just send this recording to all my friends so we can laugh about what a dick you are, and then when it gets out to the media a judge will revoke your visitation. Ha ha sucks to be you.

We know he blew his top on tape. That's all we know.
We do not know what led up to it, if he did it before or anything else.
Nobody has the right to judge him a scumbag without more information than is public. 99% of what I'm hearing is speculation, not evidence.

It does not matter what lead up to it... you are always accountable for your actions.
He is the adult.

What if you are insane and believe that what you experience in the real world isn't real? Are you responsible for your actions then?

You are criminally insane and should be locked-up.
That person should, in no way, be allowed to be in custody, in any way, of a minor.

Of course, but that's avoiding the question. Are you responsible if you are insane? (If you don't understand the difference between right and wrong because of your mental condition?) yes or no?

No, you are not responsible because you are insane. Which is why those people should not be in society. What does this have to do with this thread? Do you think Baldwin is criminally insane?

Please tell me you are not going to try to make the point that your child can make you angry enough to be insane... that is simply not true.

The point I'm trying to make is that you drive me nuts with all these absolute statements you make all over the board. Like you are some kind of judge of everything and the world is always in black and white. You even italicized the word "always" to make it as absolute as you could. Absolute statements like this are virtually always false. All I have to do to prove you wrong is to find one instance where it isn't the case and then it's not true.

You said "you are always accountable for your actions" but then admit that there are times that you are not.

Alec Baldwin may be accountable for his actions, and people in general may be accountable for their actions, but when you put the word "always" into italics, that's where you get proven wrong.

This is what irritates me about your posting style. You may care, you may not. But now you know.

Then refute them logically, show where I am wrong. When you do I will state that I am wrong and thank you for teaching me.

Ok, those who are not criminally insane are always accountable for their actions.

Thanks for pointing out my oversight.