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dave 04-27-2002 03:15 PM

Mozilla Release Candidate 1
 
Wow. This is actually... nice. :)

I'd been using Mozilla 0.9.6 for the past few months, mainly because new Mozilla RPMs would break and I'd just have to remove them and go back to 0.9.6. Well, today I decided I'd upgrade. Moved the ol' .mozilla directory, rpm -e'd mozilla-0.9.6-0 and installed the new stuff. I needed to download 2 RPMs from Mozilla - mozilla-1.0rc1-0.i386.rpm and mozilla-nspr-1.0rc1-0.i386.rpm. The second one contains some files that used to be in the regular mozilla RPM. Anyway, once I installed those two, I launched Mozilla. Wahoo! It worked. I changed the theme, set my preferences, and quit. Then I put my bookmarks file in the new profile directory and fired it back up again.

I have to say, I only notice a little bit of an improvement in launching time. It's now up instantly instead of "almost instantly". But my computer is stupidly fast, so that's not really an issue. What I do notice as much improved is the interface - it seems to react a lot faster now. Maybe it's just me being optimistic, but it just feels better.

Rendering looks pretty good. But it has for quite some time now. It does seem to be getting a little faster.

One annoying thing is that if you're typing in a text entry area (like this one), you can't hit CTRL-N and have it bring up a new window. It just ignores it. However, if you hit CTRL-T, it does bring up a new tab, which is handy enough.

Anyway, so far I'm liking it. I'll keep posting and let you guys know. :)

mbpark 04-27-2002 03:17 PM

Mozilla 1.0 RC1 under Windows 2000
 
What more can I say?

I use it every day now instead of IE.

It rocks.

No pop up windows.

It's stable.

No COM stuff, and it just works.

A tad slow (because I am using a Nightly Talkback Build), but I use it as my default browser now.

Next, someone's going to find a way to reroute most functionality in MSHTML.DLL (the core Microsoft IE DLL) to Mozilla :).

Mitch

dave 04-27-2002 04:22 PM

Note to all those interested: take caution in installing the Google toolbar for Mozilla (http://googlebar.mozdev.org). It fucked up my Mozilla - the Menu bar went away, never to return (until I uninstalled and re-installed). Even after I removed the Googlebar. Just so you know. :)

dave 04-27-2002 05:08 PM

Mozilla on MacOS X is nice too! :) If you leave the "Classic" theme (which I always change, except in this case), it emulates the MacOS X look. Of course, the menus and everything are actual Cocoa. Very nice.

It's actually pretty zippy on my system - but then again, my system is a Dual 800MHz PowerMac with 1.152 GB of RAM. So your mileage may vary.

mbpark 04-27-2002 05:43 PM

Well, I could stand to make this faster :)
 
However, Mozilla is able to handle all the IE stuff now, and doesn't shit the bed on ESPN.com like IE6 will. Plus, you can configure the size of the memory cache (let's see...512MB RAM here, and I am running a 40MB cache).

I wish I would have gotten it running on the sister's Athlon XP under WinXP just to see how it ran :). Meanwhile, the MP test under an Intel chip will be coming soon.

First, however, I'm going to run it under LinuxPPC on an AmigaOne. We'll see how it runs there.

Meanwhile, I am more than happy with the performance here as compared to the earlier builds.

You can search using Google too, which kicks butt. Much better than MSN search.

This is one of the best Open Source products ever, next to the GNU compilers.

mbpark 04-27-2002 07:21 PM

ok, my bad
 
I am using the 04/27 nightly for Windows.

This is faster than IE 6. As in night and day difference.

Mitch

jaguar 04-27-2002 09:18 PM

Even the start itme i similar to IE now, this rocks!!

Only thign now is - how can i get multiple toolbars on one line. I managed to get my IE down to one line, i wanna do somethign similar with moz, at least get bookmarks and google on the same line, this possible?

MaggieL 04-28-2002 07:09 PM

Well, I'm up on RC1 here now myself, installed from the RPMs. This should be interesting.

Undertoad 04-28-2002 07:24 PM

You may not really need the Google toolbar if all you do is search from it. Under Preferences, Navigator, Internet Search, select Google. Then enter your search terms into the location box. Instead of hitting enter, hit tab. Magic, you're entering a search term for Google.

dave 04-28-2002 07:43 PM

I know. I've been doing that for a long time. But I use the Google Toolbar at work and was hoping that the Mozilla version would be capable. However, it is not :) It ran as root fine, but it was fugly. It's forever gone from my system :)

dave 04-28-2002 07:45 PM

Also - Maggie, if you didn't install the NSS and PSM RPM's, you might want to - they allow you to hit secure sites and do banking shit and whatnot online. I didn't originally install them, but I have now, and now my bank website works like a charm, whereas before I would have to switch to a Mac and use IE. Very nice.

I'm using the Gray Modern theme. It's sexy.

MaggieL 04-28-2002 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dhamsaic
Also - Maggie, if you didn't install the NSS and PSM RPM's, you might want to - they allow you to hit secure sites and do banking shit and whatnot online.
https: stuff was already working fine for me before with 0.9.2. When I saw the NSS and PSM RPM's I figured they were A Good Thing, since you'd already said NSPR was function that used to be integrated. They seem to have fixed the textbox editing mess, and also whatever it was that broke RealPlayer.
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I'm using the Gray Modern theme. It's sexy.

I've been running with Modern for quite a while. <b>Gray</b> Modern, you say? Hmmm....link here says "Get More Themes..."

How nice. There is only Xul!

Say, don't miss the DOM inspector if you do any HTML work (especially reverse engineering crap Somebody Else Wrote).

Ever look at a page and wish you could navigate the logical structure of the page as a tree widget without leaving your browser?

Ever wish you could point to some part of a page and be whisked
directly to the fragment of HTML that made it happen?

Wish no more. Mozilla DOM Inspector:

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/insp...creens/ss1.png

Undertoad 04-28-2002 08:18 PM

OMG, themes are happening again. This is a great thing. If you hit View -> Apply Theme -> Get New Themes, you'll notice that there are already six themes to choose from. Jag, you might like "LittleMozilla" if you want the toolbars to take less space. "Pinball" is also extremely compact. All are fun to mess with.

MaggieL 04-28-2002 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Undertoad
OMG, themes are happening again. This is a great thing. .
Yeah, my daughter was just getting hyped on Moz when she got interested in themeing. Unfortunately that was about the time they pulled back the old themeing language in favor of Xul.

And my *goodness*, it's nice to not to have to fight with this textbox anymore. There is a whole pile of other annoying little bugs that have been fixed.

And since I was on 0.9.2 before, there were no tabbed browser windows. This will change my surfing habits profoundly...things I used to need a window for now only need a tab. This way when I go to a news site and open a pile of headlines, they can each go in a tab on a single window, keeping all the pages from that site in a single window.

Nifty.

jaguar 04-28-2002 11:28 PM

UT i use the google bar for auto image searching etc as well as baisc search so i'd rahter keep it, but thanks all the same =) I ended up culling the file, edit etc menu instead.

dave 04-29-2002 09:48 AM

Wow.

I am just mightily impressed with Release Candidate 1.

I've got it installed on MacOS X and Linux at home, Windows here at work. It's pretty zippy on all of the systems. Though the two at home are both dual processor boxes with over a gig of RAM and are very fast, my work machine is nothing spectacular - 500MHz Pentium III with 256 MB RAM. Doesn't matter - Mozilla is still speedy.

It's webpage rendering is pretty good. There are sometimes little quirks with stuff like MSNBC, but overall, it handles pretty much everything.

I've found the Java support on Linux to be good. To me, good Java support means that I can play Euchre on Yahoo! Games without any hiccups (yes, I know, it's spelled hiccough).

The Gray Modern theme is <b>nice</b>. I like the regular "Modern" too, but it's too blue for me (I prefer a grey for my desktop apps). The grey is still very elegant and smooth.

Mozilla is currently only eating up 22 MB of RAM - that's acceptable to me, though it's more than a browser <b>should</b> use. I have a more stripped-down install at home, so it generally uses less there. Still, a browser that uses say 10 MB of RAM would be nice.

I like it. I like it a lot. All of the bugs that used to annoy the hell out of me have been fixed. It looks sharp. It's quick. The text box works fine. Secure transactions work fine. It allows me to customize the JavaScript setup - I don't allow window moving or resizing, raising or lowing of windows or opening unrequested windows. This actually makes the web pleasant to browse again. I hate using any browser other than Mozilla simply because of all the popups and pop-unders and all that shit. Now I don't have to worry about it. That's all Mozilla.

No complaints. Mozilla is finally becoming great.

MaggieL 04-29-2002 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dhamsaic
There are sometimes little quirks with stuff like MSNBC...
Imagine my shock and surprise. MSNBC and MSN have been trying to sabotage anybody who's not running IE for years.

Quote:


I've found the Java support on Linux to be good. To me, good Java support means that I can play Euchre on Yahoo!

Well, it also means that stuff like VNC will run well.

Quote:


No complaints. Mozilla is finally becoming great.

Indeed. I *love* the tabbed browsing, especially with "load tabs in background" and "middle mouse button opens in new tab" turned on.

And "Web search for {selected text}" is a real winner too, since the search can be told to send it to Google.

dave 04-29-2002 12:12 PM

Yep.

The one complaint I have is that they've removed the "Back" and "Forward" menu items from the popup on images. IE does that shit too and it's a pain in the ass. I always use the right click -> Back to go back a page and when an image is in the way, it just slows me down. They should have kept that, or at least have an option in the preferences to stick a back item in there.

As for MSNBC, they're actually more neutral than you'd think. They definitely are tailored to IE, but it's not like they won't work with Mozilla. They actually display and work fine with Navigator, for example (or at least they used to). Navigator was broken too, though - just like IE - by non-standards. In Mozilla's quest to be standards-based, it fails at rendering some web pages how they were intended to be viewed. I don't think it's a scheme on the part of MSNBC so much as it is just something they haven't realized yet, and when they do, I'm sure they'll fix it.

juju 05-01-2002 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MaggieL

Indeed. I *love* the tabbed browsing, especially with "load tabs in background" and "middle mouse button opens in new tab" turned on.

This is the sole reason I switched from Konqueror to Mozilla.

For the longest time I used Konqueor and loved it soley because of it's speed. But the whole tabbed thing is just TOO convenient. It's worth the loss in load times to not have 4-6 virtual desktops with browser windows in them.

MaggieL 05-11-2002 12:36 PM

RC2 is out...
 
...and it fixes that embarassing XML vuln. There's also a bunch of patches and crash fixes rolled in....I hope that includes the annoying problem where the mail message lists gets out of sync with the preview pane.

RC2 also includes support for HTTP pipelining; it's off by default--I turned it on, we'll see what happens.

Speaking of Konq and tabbed browsing, I hear the latest Kong has tabbed browsing.

StrngTerrapin 05-16-2002 01:21 AM

Happiness...
 
I am finally able to get away from IE (and even Netscape sometimes) and not lose complete functionality. The new release of Mozilla is excellent. Looks nice, amazingly stable, I am very impressed. I suggest it to anyone.

dave 05-26-2002 12:46 PM

RC3 is sexy. I'm running it at work and at home now. There are a couple of things I'd like to see introduced (like dragging bookmarks into their folders from the URL bar), but all in all, it's pretty tight. It's working very well.

Here's a fun bug for you Windows users: Launch Mozilla, minimize it, launch it again. Now, try to type a URL in the location bar. :)

That's supposed to be fixed soon, though. And I don't have to deal with it on Linux. :)

Anyway, it looks like we're finally getting close. Mozilla is becoming a real browser now. I'm happy. :)

MaggieL 05-26-2002 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dhamsaic
RC3 is sexy. I'm running it at work and at home now. There are a couple of things I'd like to see introduced (like dragging bookmarks into their folders from the URL bar)
Hmm. That works on RC2. Maybe you should report it....

MaggieL 05-26-2002 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by juju2112

For the longest time I used Konqueor and loved it soley because of it's speed. But the whole tabbed thing is just TOO convenient.

Of course, the latest konq has tabbed browsing too. The bad news is that you need a complete new KDE to get it.

“We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful what we pretend to be. ”—Kurt Vonnegut

juju 05-30-2002 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MaggieL

Of course, the latest konq has tabbed browsing too. The bad news is that you need a complete new KDE to get it.

Yeah, I know. That's way too inconvenient, though. Every tried to compile KDE from source? Yipes!

I do await the debian packages eagerly, though. :]

jaguar 05-30-2002 06:04 AM

RC is seems to be far mroe stable, hasent crashed in a week of use yet. On the other hand, right click copy does not seem to work...

MaggieL 05-30-2002 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jaguar
RC is seems to be far mroe stable...
*which* RC? There are now three of them...


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