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King 03-17-2007 09:10 PM

Unpopular opinions you hold
 
As it says in the title, what opinions do you have that most people seem to disagree with? I'd prefer not to get into actual arguments about them on this thread though, as that could lead to a lot of different arguments going on at once. (Assuming that this thread takes off.) If you want to debate a point made in depth, I think it would be better to start a new thread on it. Anyway:

- Discrimination on grounds of race is the same as discrimination on grounds of anything else that a person can't change, be it gender, sexuality, age, height, attractiveness etc. No worse, no better.

- The invasion of Iraq wasn't morally wrong, whether or not there were WMDs or not. Saddam was a tyrant who killed his own people and in the long run it will be better for the people that he is gone.

- North American sports that aren't hockey are dull.

I'll add some more upon reflection.

lumberjim 03-17-2007 09:20 PM

life is a popularity contest

WabUfvot5 03-17-2007 09:35 PM

The Irish make good slaves. Most people tune me out as soon as I say that.

Undertoad 03-17-2007 09:56 PM

Single-malt Scotch is overrated.

Howard Stern is a remarkable talent.

Linux is "ready for the desktop" and has been for quite some time.

Many types of recycling are rather ineffective and may actually harm the environment worse than landfills.

If they shut down all of the public schools tomorrow, any system that would spontaneously arise to replace them would be 100% better... 1000% better in the inner cities.

piercehawkeye45 03-17-2007 10:05 PM

Metal is good.

Rex Grossman is inconsistant not bad.

Calc 3 and 4 are still fun (sometimes).

Beer is overrated.

I am better than you.

elSicomoro 03-17-2007 10:07 PM

Affirmative action is still a necessary program in this country.

Suburban living is severely overrated.

Segregation isn't necessarily such a bad idea.

The "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" story of life is mainly bullshit.

Sheldonrs 03-17-2007 10:51 PM

Crime doesn't pay is bullshit.

Everyone should love one another is bullshit.

He who hesitates is lost is bullshit.

Bullshit is bullshit.

tw 03-17-2007 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King (Post 323984)
As it says in the title, what opinions do you have that most people seem to disagree with?

Do historical references count? Because in 2002 I had the "mother of disagreeable opinions".
George Jr is lying.

rkzenrage 03-17-2007 11:32 PM

Affirmative action is racism and bigotry. It harms those it proposes to help by eliminating respect. A position given, not deserved harms all.

Pure separation of church and state should be fully implemented tomorrow, that it will hurt people's "feeling" does not matter and should not be taken into account.

Real history should be taught tomorrow, that is contradicts what kid's parent's were taught does not matter and should not be taken into account.

Marijuana should be legalized and the Government and AMA are conspiring to keep it illegal because the CIA and FBI are profiting off of importing and distributing it. (I have met people who know)
Those in the AMA and medical field that continue this ruse want people to suffer, yes want us to. If not they would publicly state the facts, they do not so they want those who need the relief to suffer. A fact.

Religion is delusion and simple mythology, no different than believing in Zeus, the Sun God Quetzalcoatl or any other "god". Why pick a popular one, why not a fun one like Kali where you get to sacrifice your neighbor?

Children should be taught at their talent level, not held back due to average age group limitations.

People who excel should get more.

"We are causing global warming and you too can make a difference" is a guilt based scam. We love to feel guilty.

Enforcing immigration law is not xenophobia or racism, it is just law enforcement & LONG overdue, nothing else.

Iraq was/is/will be about stealing oil.

The net is no different than real life, communicate the same.

Children should not be patronized... people say they disagree with this until they try to put it into practice.

If a politician is dishonest they should be charged with liable, slander or the proper law for the situation, every time. Yes, it would be practical, no we don't need that many secrets.

We have pure free-will/accountability.

lumberjim 03-18-2007 12:06 AM

i should have a 'ban key'

Elspode 03-18-2007 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 323997)
Affirmative action is still a necessary program in this country.

Segregation isn't necessarily such a bad idea.

Am I just stupid, or are these very nearly mutually exclusive concepts?

elSicomoro 03-18-2007 12:32 AM

Voluntary segregation, not forced.

Kagen4o4 03-18-2007 03:52 AM

the killing of 6000000 jews in WW2 may have been a bad thing but its not the worst thing that has been done to humans and people should understand it was a bad thing but get over it and make jokes about it like southpark does.

discrimination due to an irrelevant trait is wrong. but stereotyping is a logical way to make conclusions about someone until they prove you wrong

Australia is and always will be, the best place in the world to live. so anyone that has the choice of where to live and complains about australia should get the f.uck out and see how welcoming this country is when they come crawling back. (im looking at you moofty)

bluecuracao 03-18-2007 04:54 AM

- The new version of Battlestar Gallactica is annoying.
- Skinheads are responsible for many of the unsolved shootings in Philly. :tinfoil:

Kagen4o4 03-18-2007 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluec
The new version of Battlestar Gallactica is annoying.

is this because you dont like it or like me you just want it to end because you got stuck watching and just wanna see the end?

bluecuracao 03-18-2007 05:37 AM

I don't like it--it's too soap opera-ish. And I do want it to end, because my fiance and many of our friends are hooked on it...and that's all they talk about. Cylon this, Starbuck that, I don't give a frick, blah, blah, blah.

Clodfobble 03-18-2007 09:08 AM

Poetry sucks ass.

Cheesy, derivative pop music is completely acceptable if it's in another language.

Trilby 03-18-2007 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 324079)
Poetry sucks ass.

Cheesy, derivative pop music is completely acceptable if it's in another language.

Totally

footfootfoot 03-18-2007 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tw (Post 324004)
Do historical references count? Because in 2002 I had the "mother of disagreeable opinions".
George Jr is lying.

In this case no, because you had the unsporting advantage of being able to see his lips moving when you made that assessment. ;)

Undertoad 03-18-2007 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tw (Post 324004)
Do historical references count? Because in 2002 I had the "mother of disagreeable opinions".
George Jr is lying.

In this case no, because A) you've already posted it in every single thread for the last five years, and B) the "stopped clock factor" means anyone can be right, given enough time to do it.

wolf 03-18-2007 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluecuracao (Post 324059)
- Skinheads are responsible for many of the unsolved shootings in Philly. :tinfoil:

That's silly. There are no white people in Philadelphia with guns. The shootings remain unsolved because of John Street's personal agenda to prove that all the ills of the city are caused by whites rather than the notion that Philadelphia shootings are almost exclusively black-on-black crimes, and have their roots in the drug trade.

Phil 03-18-2007 11:23 AM

belief in any god is a delusion.

all drugs should be legalised.

steroid using athletes should have their own Olympics.

all the money spent on war, arms and nuclear weapons should be spent on health.

anyone who wishes to become a police officer should automatically be banned from becoming one.

wolf 03-18-2007 01:26 PM

Life begins at the moment of conception.

All the creation stories, even the strange ones involving cows and ice, giant's armpits, mud, and The Big Bang, are correct.

Global Climate Change is the result of stellar forces, and man has only minimal impact on climate.

Reverse racism is still racism. Affirmative action is legislated reverse racism.

Marriage is a religious contract between one man, one woman, and God (or other Godform). Anyone who attempts to define it otherwise is wrong. There should be a separate civil partnering contract.

Indentured servitude should be offered as an option to clear credit card debt. An employer could buy your debt contract and pay you a negotiated rate that includes payments on your debt. When the debt is cleared you may choose to remain with that employer at a non-indenture rate.

AZjanny 03-18-2007 01:56 PM

:eek: There is no such thing as "God" , and all the time/money poured into churches and religion is a waste.

Griff 03-18-2007 02:41 PM

It was warmer than present during the Medieval Climate Optimum which was generally considered a good time for humanity.

DanaC 03-18-2007 03:34 PM

DS9 was and remains the best Star Trek series.

Right wingers are wrong.

The vast majority of asylum seekers are genuine cases of need.

Immigrants are a positive addition to the country.

Prison is the wrong way to deal with most crimes and most criminals: punishment/retribution models are counter productive for society.

Marx and Engels made a lot of sense: not necessrily marxists though....Marx himself said in his lifetime, that he was 'no marxist'.

All health provision and education should be provided by the state and paid for through taxation.

Belief in God, creation and/or prophets is no different to belief in Santa, Fairies and the Easter Bunny: this particular opinion is only unpopular in some circles, such as my old workplace, where for the first time in my adult life i found myself outnumbered by Christians......it's also not a view I tend to espouse when I am working with the Church youth project:P

limey 03-18-2007 03:45 PM

I agree with a lot of the other "unpopular" beliefs here, but this is a new one ...

EVERYONE can sing.

Oh, and following on from DanaC, there is no difference between Communism and Christianity - from each according to his ability to each according to his need. This is the perfect politico-economic system except that it doesn't account for human greed.

rkzenrage 03-18-2007 04:31 PM

There is no such thing as reverse racism, racism is racism is racism.
Being racist against whites is the same as being racist against blacks.
Rastafarians are the same as Klansmen.

It is a travesty that women and blacks can have their own clubs, fraternities/sororities and gyms and no one says squat but as soon as whites or men (usually both) want them they are misogynists or racists and someone tries to ruin it/take it away from/for them. Bigots hold this opinion & they are no different than those with hoods.

piercehawkeye45 03-18-2007 04:56 PM

Quote:

There is no such thing as reverse racism, racism is racism is racism.
Yes, yes, yes.

King 03-18-2007 04:58 PM

Thanks for the good response guys. A few more from me:

- Most white people who claim to be "disgusted" and "outraged" about racism against non-whites (and I'm talking about "everyday" racism as opposed to murder here) are only saying what they think they should say. I don't doubt that most white people are against racism and think it's a bad thing, but by the same token I don't think many are being kept awake at night by it. Most would only be truly disgusted and outrged if it happened to a friend of theirs. (I probably haven't made this clear enough and it probably will be misunderstood. Sorry.)

- A good film, TV show, piece of writing or piece of music is better and has more artistic merit than 99% of traditional art such as paintings, sculptures etc.

- If Louis Saha could stay fit and improve his finishing, he would be the best striker in the world. As it is, he's simply above average, in terms of top teams.

Edited to add a couple more:

- Prams should not be allowed on buses. I know it would be inconvenient for people to get their kids around, but it's very inconvenient for others on the bus. Most of the time there just isn't the room.

- The NHS should be privatised. If you introduce a service as being funded wholly by taxation (i.e. free at the point of use), and it takes only two years before you have to introduce charges at the point of use, then it's not going to work. I can't remember a time when the NHS hasn't been underfunded, and I don't think I'll ever see such a time in the future.

Aliantha 03-18-2007 06:43 PM

Convicts were sent to America from England

Edit: Oh and also that Australia is THE best place in the world to live. :)

rkzenrage 03-18-2007 07:21 PM

Quote:

- Prams should not be allowed on buses. I know it would be inconvenient for people to get their kids around, but it's very inconvenient for others on the bus. Most of the time there just isn't the room.
The the same should be true for groceries then.
Why can't they just hold the kid and fold the stroller?

footfootfoot 03-18-2007 08:21 PM

Why can't they have more frequent buses to address the crowding issues, or buses with larger spaces for strollers, wheelchairs, and lazy teens who want to spread out all over the place and put their dirty shoes on the seats?

Maybe not the last part.

Spexxvet 03-18-2007 08:26 PM

Racism exists and is practiced every day.

Guns kill people.

Everyone who believes in a superior being is weak.

repubicans are inherently evil.

Anyone who feels that they know when life begins is fooling themselves.

Conservative is code for selfish.

Politicians do not have citizens' best interest as their top priority.

Violence is the solution to less than 1 ten-thousandth of 1% of conflicts.

Money allows happiness.

Most people value appearance over substance.

The History Channel is entertaining.

Aliantha 03-18-2007 08:27 PM

The first post of this thread suggested that this isn't meant to be an discussion/argument about anyone's 'unpopular opinions'.

Maybe someone should start a thread about prams on busses?

lumberjim 03-18-2007 08:31 PM

thread drift is not only inevitable, but desirable.

one out of every 3 Australian women that i know annoy the living shit out of me.

Aliantha 03-18-2007 08:32 PM

lj is not very funny. :)

Kingswood 03-18-2007 08:51 PM

Affirmative action is another way of saying discrimination.

Rich people are better at making money, so the state should harness their talents by taxing them more.

Uranium should be kept in the ground. Our distant descendants will need a lot of energy when they need to leave this planet for good.

Trickle-down economics doesn't work because most wealthy people do not attend garage sales.

The words "give" and "have" would make more sense if they were not spelt with a redundant "e".

There is nothing wrong with fat people if they eat properly, get sufficient exercise and are in good health.

Religions cause more problems than they solve.

Statutory rape laws should be repealed if they do not allow for the possibility of female rapists or otherwise do not treat the genders equally before the eyes of the law. The facts of the case should decide the perpetrators' guilt, not their gender.

Kingswood 03-18-2007 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 324201)
Guns kill people.

Bullets kill people.

lumberjim 03-18-2007 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingswood (Post 324207)
Bullets kill people.

triggers kill people

monster 03-18-2007 09:30 PM

Circumcision is wrong and unnecessary if proper hygiene is observed.

The real reason most non-Musim non-Jewish American boys are circumcised is so they look like their fathers.


Children should not have their ears (or anything else) pierced before they are old enough to consent to it.

Babies with pierced ears look awful. Is your baby not beautiful enough?

zippyt 03-18-2007 10:17 PM

penal farms that are self supporting are a good thing ,

.50 cal weapons should NOT be in civilian hands

there should be a size tax on SUVs

Big trucks should have there OWN roads

Kagen4o4 03-19-2007 01:55 AM

i am the only one that knows for sure that i exist but i can't be certain about the rest of you.

ben stiller and adam sandler should not be allowed to make movies.

marijuana should never be legalised. it works fine the way it is.

jesus probably did exist but it makes no difference to us now.

sex before mariage should be manditory.

NoBoxes 03-19-2007 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingswood (Post 324207)
Bullets kill people.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 324211)
triggers kill people

Neither Roy Rogers' dog Bullet nor his horse Trigger ever killed anyone! :eyebrow:

HungLikeJesus 03-19-2007 11:09 AM

+ I agree with 90% of the posts in this thread.

+ There are too many people on this planet. The worst thing that the average person can do to the environment is have another child.

+ The reason men fall asleep after sex is that it gives the woman a chance to escape (evolution at work).

+ Sex education should begin early. Just because the parents were ignorant doesn't mean that the child has to be.

+ A politician who follows the "party line" is not representing his constituents, nor his conscience*.

* I know that this is a bit of a wild assumption.

Phil 03-19-2007 11:33 AM

guns kill people. no guns = no people to shoot them.

Sundae 03-19-2007 11:44 AM

Girls should receive a 3 year contraceptive implant at the age of 13 which (helps to) prevent them becoming pregnant at least until they have completed basic education

Increasing the amount of school leavers in higher education does not lead to a better educated populace – it merely leads to increased personal debt and devalues the experience of true scholars

People are inherently selfish

The degree to which the majority of men enjoy a woman’s company is directly related to her appearance

piercehawkeye45 03-19-2007 11:52 AM

People are completely molded by society.

BigV 03-19-2007 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tw (Post 324004)
Do historical references count? Because in 2002 I had the "mother of disagreeable opinions".
George Jr is lying.

No, because it doesn't fit the parameters of the opening post's conditions as an Unpopular Opinion.

Partial credit to footfootfoot and Undertoad for being having the "right answer", despite failing the "show your work" section. :p

Clodfobble 03-19-2007 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl
Girls should receive a 3 year contraceptive implant at the age of 13 which (helps to) prevent them becoming pregnant at least until they have completed basic education

And the boys should have reversible vasectomies too, if they're smart.

glatt 03-19-2007 12:23 PM

It should be illegal to administer antibiotics to livestock, even if they are sick. Overuse of antibiotics is leading to resistant strains of germs. Each and every use of antibiotics around the world leads to this problem, so antibiotics should be reserved for humans only to slow the spread of resistant germs.

Since they aren't expanding it in other ways, I think they should remove all the seats in Metro, our local subway system. You would be able to fit more people in each car that way.

I think they should refrain from broadcasting sports on TV. I don't want to be seeing that crap. Get rid of daytime talk shows and reality shows too. Put adult ed classes on TV in their place. Maybe something on electronics. I've always wanted to pick that up.

footfootfoot 03-19-2007 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 324213)
The real reason most non-Musim non-Jewish American boys are circumcised is so they look like their fathers.

Funny, my dad didn't look Jewish...

rimshot

melidasaur 03-19-2007 01:48 PM

It's okay to express your pride to be white. I am proud to be white and not a member of the KKK or any other "fringe group."

The NAACP sometimes acts in the same manner as the KKK or other hate groups - hello, DISCRIMINATION is NEVER OKAY - even discrimination against white people... not cool.

Diversity is just a fancy way of saying it's okay to cut out the white kids.

The only cause that vegans succeed in promoting is the ability to be a pain in the ass.

There should be no more "Insert racial group/sex here" History Months. Those are just sad attempts to be inclusive that result in people being excluded. Why don't we have - Invention Month, Book Month, Food Month - etc. Make everyone feel included.

I think gender discrimination is a crock of crap.

If people want to hold themselves out as married, they should be held to the same standards as married people - file your taxes jointly, follow the same divorce procedures, etc. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Welfare should be abolished. No more handouts or handups. People should be forced to get off their lazy butts and do something about it... That's the great thing about the US is that you can do that - no one is going to stop you.

But the more I look at the other posts, I relize that maybe my views on race are not all that unpopular.

monster 03-19-2007 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footfootfoot (Post 324377)
Funny, my dad didn't look Jewish...

rimshot

You were rimming your dad? :eek:

HungLikeJesus 03-19-2007 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by melidasaur (Post 324407)
There should be no more "Insert racial group/sex here" History Months. Those are just sad attempts to be inclusive that result in people being excluded. Why don't we have - Invention Month, Book Month, Food Month - etc. Make everyone feel included.

March is National Frozen Food Month. If the NFRA can create Frozen Food Month, I guess that you can create Invention Month. I'll support you in that.

Pi 03-19-2007 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 324344)
+ There are too many people on this planet. The worst thing that the average person can do to the environment is have another child.

Poor people (2. and 3. world countries) should stop getting children. Children born in civilized countries have better chances and will develop better.

HungLikeJesus 03-19-2007 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pi (Post 324439)
Poor people (2. and 3. world countries) should stop getting children. Children born in civilized countries have better chances and will develop better.

I think that just the opposite is true. People in "first world" countries, like the US, have a much larger environmental impact (per capita) than do people in poorer countries. In the US, many people have their first child and suddenly need a big house and an SUV, etc. I've seen entire families in Mexico riding on one 450 CC motorcycle (kids sit on the gas tank).

So, I think that rich people should stop having kids (or adopting them from Zimbabwe). If poor people stop having kids, who's going to serve the french fries?

piercehawkeye45 03-19-2007 03:48 PM

Rich people have stopped having kids. In most first world countries the population growth is negative.

If you live in a poor country then you need more children to survive with expecting a few to die on the way. If you want to slow population growth you have to give third world countries freedom, education, and money.

Spexxvet 03-19-2007 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King (Post 323984)
.. I'd prefer not to get into actual arguments about them on this thread though, as that could lead to a lot of different arguments going on at once....

Hey! Dinnja read dem rules?

elSicomoro 03-19-2007 04:03 PM

Eugenics is not necessarily a bad idea.

Capital punishment is not a tool used by civilized societies.

"Glitter" was a decent movie.


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