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DucksNuts 02-15-2007 06:33 PM

An Indecent Proposal....
 
Weird stuff happens to me....


A successful married business man has propositioned me.

Ongoing arrangement, he travels abroad a lot (UK, US and Asia) wants a *fun* companion, all expenses paid.

:o

Of course, with the whole Army dude thing happening, I'm not doing anything to stuff that up....but seriously.

He's funny and attractive, even if he is 10 years older than me.

Would that be just a prostitute or well paid escort?

bluecuracao 02-15-2007 07:15 PM

I think we need more information, such as, Would he pay you money directly? and Would he require sex?

DucksNuts 02-15-2007 07:27 PM

*all expenses paid*.

Flights (business class), accommodation, spending money, food etc.

lumberjim 02-15-2007 07:30 PM

not a prostitute.

why label it?

freshnesschronic 02-15-2007 07:37 PM

Women really do date 10, 15, 60 years up (ahem, Anna). I don't understand why. :(

Sorry I have no real advice, just a filler comment.

bluecuracao 02-15-2007 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freshnesschronic (Post 316199)
Women really do date 10, 15, 60 years up (ahem, Anna). I don't understand why. :(

Sorry I have no real advice, just a filler comment.

My man is a year and a half younger than me. Don't despair!

Ducks, make sure you ticket is round-trip, and you should be good to go. ;)

DucksNuts 02-15-2007 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 316197)
not a prostitute.

why label it?

geez - have you not learned that I am totally anal about such things.

I like labels and I want to know whether you guys would be thinking ...."little homewrecking slut" :D

SteveDallas 02-15-2007 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DucksNuts (Post 316213)
I am totally anal

Well if your married friend is into that, go for it . . . .

Spexxvet 02-15-2007 09:11 PM

That's the arrangement my wife and I have. You calling her a ho?

Clodfobble 02-15-2007 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DucksNuts
I like labels and I want to know whether you guys would be thinking ...."little homewrecking slut"

Well, for me...

I have no problem with the idea of him basically paying you for sex. I definitely do have a problem with the fact that he's married. YMMV

DucksNuts 02-15-2007 10:11 PM

For the record....

I am very much in...umm...lust with the Army dude and wont be pursuing this *arrangement*. :D

zippyt 02-15-2007 10:30 PM

ahh but you DID THINK about it !!!

Aliantha 02-16-2007 03:33 AM

I'm with clod on this one. It's one thing to act as a companion to someone etc, but the whole wife thing just makes it sordid. Maybe I'm getting old and fogeyish or something, but I get pissed off with married men who proposition single women these days.

Sundae 02-16-2007 03:52 AM

I'll do it! Pass him my phone number please.....

Actually IRL I have turned down trips to Japan, China and Spain which were offered all expenses paid. Sex was never explicitly requested, but there was enough of a suggestion there that I didn't feel comfortable - I didn't want to have sex with 2 out of the 3 men.

I wish I'd gone to Japan though - as I got to know that guy better I fancied the pants off him....

DucksNuts 02-16-2007 04:38 AM

Why would you do it now if you wouldnt do it then SG?

Curious, thats all.

Ali - you surprised me with that!! I know you are free-love n all that, but didnt know you would have a problem with the whole married thingiemebob.

Zippy- bite me!! I didnt think about it, well, I thought about what it would be like, but I didnt think about taking him up on it. Occasionally, I have some morals :p

Sundae 02-16-2007 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DucksNuts (Post 316266)
Why would you do it now if you wouldnt do it then SG?

Curious, thats all.

Some of my thought process is missing from my post. It should really read:

Quote:

I'll do it! Pass him my phone number please.....

I probably wouldn't actually. IRL I have turned down trips to Japan etc etc
I like the idea of a courtesan lifestyle, but when it comes to cold hard reality I couldn't have sex with someone I didn't desire, or fake interest where there was none.

And if the interest was there, I'd only fall for him & end up thoroughly miserable because he's married. Then again, I'm miserable anyway - maybe I'm talking myself into it after all ;)

skysidhe 02-16-2007 09:50 AM

You did say he wanted a 'fun' companion. Maybe that's all he wants!
:angel:

Shawnee123 02-16-2007 09:54 AM

Married? Too many worms in that can!

Sheldonrs 02-16-2007 11:28 AM

Give him MY number. I could use the vacation and you would be amazed at how many married "straight" men will hook up with a gay man on the sly.
I've heard every excuse you can think of from "My wife won't do that, so..." to "I just need a ______ while my wife is _____".

barefoot serpent 02-16-2007 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl (Post 316265)
I didn't want to have sex with 2 out of the 3 men.

it was gonna be all 3 or nothing!:3_eyes:

Shawnee123 02-16-2007 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl (Post 316269)

And if the interest was there, I'd only fall for him & end up thoroughly miserable because he's married. Then again, I'm miserable anyway - maybe I'm talking myself into it after all ;)

Then you'd have to drive hundreds of miles wearing a diaper! :p

footfootfoot 02-16-2007 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DucksNuts (Post 316228)
For the record....

I am very much in...umm...lust with the Army dude and wont be pursuing this *arrangement*. :D

L

footfootfoot 02-16-2007 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl (Post 316265)
I
Actually IRL I have turned down trips to Japan, China and Spain which were offered all expenses paid.

Holding out for a trip to:

Location
:
Philly suburbs
???

DucksNuts 02-16-2007 04:51 PM

Are you calling me a Loser foot3??? :p

Aliantha 02-16-2007 04:55 PM

I dunno Ducks. I find myself in a quandry lately. The whole, sanctity of marriage and all that.

I will say though, that if the wife knows what's going on then it's ok, or if they have an open relationship then that's ok too. It's only if it's on the sly that I've got a bigger problem these days. Not so far as you would go in this instance, but the husband. Know what I mean?

footfootfoot 02-16-2007 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DucksNuts (Post 316444)
Are you calling me a Loser foot3??? :p

what? me? never.no no no no no no.


yes.

DucksNuts 02-16-2007 06:40 PM

Bite me

xoxoxoBruce 02-17-2007 02:25 AM

I will. :blush:

Elspode 02-17-2007 10:49 AM

Here in the States, we call this guy a "Sugar Daddy". Nothing wrong with that.

Scopulus Argentarius 02-19-2007 08:10 AM

Just a few queastons?

<paranoid-what-if?-mode>

Traveling?


Via what? Plane?, Boat? You do realize that "all expenses paid" means he "owns" you and if you're in the wrong country - he really "owns" you and could give you away. (Yes, slavery still exists in some countries and this scenario has been reported to have happened). Even if that *didn't* happen, I bet you won't have enough money and/or resources to get back home if you were dumped somewhere.

If you travel via boat, you won't leave much of a paper trail; If you are an unpaid "companion" you won't leave much of a paper trail.


What kind of business is he in? Does it involve dealing with middle eastern countries for oil? Heads of state? How do people around him act? Does he usually get what he wants...? And when he doesn't .. what happens..? What of the wife...she could be evil too...

</paranoid-what-if?-mode>


Regards,

SA

footfootfoot 02-19-2007 11:15 AM

That's a good point, SA. I know someone who ended up in a long drawn out situation (years) over seas. The American embassy figured she was just a whore and didn't offer help. She finally managed to escape during a shopping trip in the US. (the guy got sloppy or figured she wasn't going to bolt.)

Aliantha 02-19-2007 05:42 PM

Seriously, if you're even considering entering into a situation like this, you'd be stupid not to have access to funds of your own and retain all your papers in the event that the shit hits the fan and you have to scarper off to avoid the fall out.

Only a foolish person allows themself to be owned by anyone.

9th Engineer 02-20-2007 02:25 PM

Agreed, you would have very little leverage if things got nasty and things took a turn for the worse. If he met with another business partner and decided to pass you on as a gift you'd have to go through the new guy for your ticket home...

Aside: Is there any significant difference between a prostitute and an escort? It's really just a matter of skill on the part of the person, the prostitute's skill ends with sex while the escort is able to provide pleasures of conversation and personality as well as those of the flesh. Just a thought.

rkzenrage 02-20-2007 02:32 PM

I would not get involved with a married person because I would not want someone to do so with my wife.
I am not a complicated person.

Aliantha 02-20-2007 11:59 PM

Just because someone travels with someone as a companion whether there's sex involved or not, doesn't make them a prostitute.

rkzenrage 02-21-2007 12:00 AM

Who said prostitute?
Edit:
Oh.
My .02:
So?
What the hell is wrong with prostitution?
Never got that one.

If you are getting paid for sex and that is what he has in mind and you know it, regardless of what you call it... prostitute.
dictionary.com

Elspode 02-21-2007 04:13 PM

I always sort of wondered exactly why, if you do anyone you want for free without restriction by government, you weren't allowed to get paid for it.

In the end, I decided it was because the government doesn't like money changing hands without them getting their cut. It isn't like they actually care if someone lives or dies in the process, so it has to be the money angle.

Aliantha 02-21-2007 06:21 PM

By the dictionary definition of prostitution, we're all prostitues. Anyone who's ever had sex is one. Everyone 'gets' something out of sex. There's always a pay off.

Happy Monkey 02-21-2007 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elspode (Post 317504)
I always sort of wondered exactly why, if you do anyone you want for free without restriction by government, you weren't allowed to get paid for it.

In the end, I decided it was because the government doesn't like money changing hands without them getting their cut. It isn't like they actually care if someone lives or dies in the process, so it has to be the money angle.

No, it's because of the prudes. There's no reason the government couldn't tax legalized prostitution. It was banned when prudes were more powerful than they are today, and they're still powerful enough that no politician wants to be the one who legalized it.

piercehawkeye45 02-21-2007 08:45 PM

There is nothing wrong with prostitution. Non baby making Sex is just a form of entertainment and strippers and prostitutes are just entertainers.

If we legalized and regulated prostitution you could make it a lot safer but both parties and the government could get some money out of it by taxes. To become a prostitute you would have to pass a test showing that you don't have any sexually transmitted diseases and force the man to wear a condom and offers free birth control to women. It also protects the prostitutes from getting beat up. Now in the US, if a prostitute gets beaten, she can not go to the police because she was performing something illegal and will get in trouble, but if it was legalized, that person would get punished.

A ban on prostitution is just a law of outdated morals and is definitely institutionalized classism.

Aliantha 02-21-2007 09:48 PM

Prostitution is legal in many states here.

9th Engineer 02-21-2007 10:18 PM

If you legalize prostitution then it becomes an acceptable form of employment. Now before everyone starts noding their heads and thinking about how wonderful that would be, remember that the government can squeeze that from more than one angle. One of the first that pops into my mind is the fact that now everyone capable of walking themselves to the local brothel could be considered to be turning down gainful employment if they did not do so. Might take a little tweaking, but since we seem to think that the government is just waiting for its chance to squeeze more money from us it's a short leap to say that they wouldn't take the chance to cut some expenses.

Aliantha 02-21-2007 11:04 PM

*cough*bullshit*cough*

lumberjim 02-21-2007 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 317530)
By the dictionary definition of prostitution, we're all prostitues. Anyone who's ever had sex is one. Everyone 'gets' something out of sex. There's always a pay off.

rape victims get something out of it?

Aliantha 02-22-2007 06:39 AM

consentual sex lj. That wasn't even close to funny.

Clodfobble 02-22-2007 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 9th Engineer
One of the first that pops into my mind is the fact that now everyone capable of walking themselves to the local brothel could be considered to be turning down gainful employment if they did not do so.

It would never happen, and you know it. I collected unemployment for a short time and was not obligated to accept a job at any number of unpleasant places, even though I would have technically been qualified. In Texas, you have to actively interview and be offered a job before you are considered to have "turned down" the gainful employment. Disability benefits are a little more stringent, but prostitution is by definition a physical job, it would never make the cut on the occupational therapists' lists.

lumberjim 02-22-2007 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 317628)
consentual sex lj. That wasn't even close to funny.

wasn't intended to be. just pointing out a ludicrous oversimplification.

Aliantha 02-22-2007 05:17 PM

When you have sex there's a pay off. It is very simple, and it's impossible to simplify it further. Just because you don't get paid with money doesn't mean you're not being paid.

Edit: Changed my mind and decided not to bother.


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