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BigV 12-20-2006 10:52 AM

"Stay the Course" has become "Shift the Blame"
 
Quote:

U.S. Not Winning War in Iraq, Bush Says for 1st Time

Bush chose a different term than Powell. "I haven't heard the word 'broken,' " he said, "but I've heard the word, 'stressed.' . . . We need to reset our military. There's no question the military has been used a lot. And the fundamental question is, 'Will Republicans and Democrats be able to work with the administration to assure our military and the American people that we will position our military so that it is ready and able to stay engaged in a long war?' "
From WaPo

I have seen this coming for some time. The evidence since the election has piled up higher and faster.

I see as President Bush's main motivations in Iraq the rapidly vanishing proposition that he can save face. Face. That's what's at most risk for him and I find that craven, selfish and cowardly. Disgusting.

Griff 12-20-2006 12:09 PM

He started the war thinking legacy. Now he's left with blame shifting.:mad:

Shawnee123 12-20-2006 12:18 PM

:meanface: I'm ready to start a Peasants with Pitchforks campaign and run that fool out of office.

Undertoad 12-20-2006 12:23 PM

What's the big deal here? The Ds won Congress and he is pressing them to lead.

Elspode 12-20-2006 01:11 PM

"Hey, Dems...please take this festering pile of crap and try not to screw it up any worse, okay?" :D

skysidhe 12-20-2006 01:32 PM

I remember the day when he was first given the presidency and people were all like,"yeah, he's someone a person would like to have a beer with" as if that was the requirement for leading a country.

Out of the mouth of Babes. Retort to the above comment. "Yeah, I mean Homer Simpson" is the best we could do for our country?

I suggest next time people vote according to reason and not emotion. emotions screw things up too much. They allow people like Pat Robertson to tell people if they don't vote for Bush then they are voting FOR abortion and therefore you will be guilty of murder.

Why did it take so much for people to see what half the country saw from the beginning?

rkzenrage 12-21-2006 02:08 AM

Become?

yesman065 12-21-2006 12:05 PM

How does the demoratic congressman from SD who had a heart attack and his replacement who will be named by the republican Gov. affect the balance of power?

BigV 12-21-2006 01:06 PM

*sigh*

New congressman was from SD. Had an Arterio-Venous Malformation, or AVM, not a heart attack. Had brain surgery for it.

He has not been replaced, since the only way to replace a sitting congressman is in case of death or resignation. The republican governor can indeed name a replacement, but only in those circumstances, neither of which is imminent.

Presuming a republican governor would appoint a republican congressman (now far afield in your hypothetical case), the balance of power in the Senate would shift to 50 republicans, 49 Democrats and 1 independent, and of course, the president of the Senate is Dick Cheney, the Vice President, a republican. So, potentially the balance of power would be 51-50 in favor of the republicans.

Did that answer your question?

DanaC 12-21-2006 01:25 PM

Quote:

I'm ready to start a Peasants with Pitchforks campaign and run that fool out of office.
Umm...don't you have a large supply of firearms you could use instead?:P

Griff 12-21-2006 01:28 PM

The Democrats disarmed themselves years ago. Some are questioning their wisdom...

yesman065 12-21-2006 01:53 PM

Yes thanks Big V - I have heard a lot of crap and supposition about it and thought I'd come to the source for the truth - the Cellar - of course. seriously thanks.

Um, if he is "incapacitated for a vote - what happens then? Inquiring minds NEED to know.

BigV 12-21-2006 02:10 PM

no such thing.

there are historical precedents for "sitting" congressmen being absent, but alive, elsewhere for years at a stretch.

I will successfully resist the temptation to joke about incapacitated / capacity wrt congressmen.

There is no such thing as: "incapacitated for a vote". Whether our legal inability to make such distinctions is a good or bad thing remains an open question.

Phil 12-21-2006 02:38 PM

it's all so familiar.
will this fuckwit and his bitch Blair actually get away with the war crimes they have committed?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ewsbush6wn.jpg

yesman065 12-21-2006 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigV
There is no such thing as: "incapacitated for a vote". Whether our legal inability to make such distinctions is a good or bad thing remains an open question.

So there just is no vote for his "constituants"?

DanaC 12-21-2006 04:43 PM

Phil I am guessing yes.

BigV 12-21-2006 04:51 PM

??

Not all congressmen vote on all bills.

Not voting by by not being present (without getting too zen on you) is a kind of vote. An abstention in absentia, if you will.

His constituents need to monitor his work towards their goals, and voting is only a part of it. So is not voting.

Spexxvet 12-21-2006 08:09 PM

Could it be that Bush is taking a page out of Putin's book? Has anybody goteen a geiger counter near this guy?

Happy Monkey 12-21-2006 09:09 PM

Strom was incapacitated for years...


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