Hey,which do you like?
 

the first picture is han-chinese girls and boys wore the real chinese traditional dress---Han Costume which is original of Korean and Japanese traditional dress

the second one is han-chinese girls and boys wore manchurian tradtional dress-Qipao and Magua

although the Han Costume was forced to be disappear in China by Manchurian killed totally nearly 100,000,000 chinese people in AD.1644,but now it appears in China again!

100,000,000 people in 1644AD? One hundred million? That's hard to believe, are you sure it wasn't 100,000 or 1,000,000?

Han looks more comfortable and easier to manufacture or make at home, but also easier to hide things...... like weapons. :worried:


Welcome to the Cellar, sevenseven. :D

the second one looks a bit too... ummm... you know... house-of-ill-reputish. although I can't say for sure...

can we blame the Falun Gong?

No, it looks like a picture taken by a photographer with the entourage of some important figure, being welcomed to a hotel/store/arena/something.

Trust me.

I was going to make a flippant reply about the amount of times you have been greeted as an important figure... then realised you'll at least have been part fo the entourage at some point :)

well, it just reminds me of that time I accidentally found myself inside Madame Wongs House of 10,000 Delights -- just off of Alvarez in LA Chinatown. So I don't actually have first-hand lnowledge of the real thing.

Thats why I like the second one LOL! :right:

it's true.since 1644AD manchurian killed nearly 100,000,000 han-chinese people(they are my ancesters).manchurian is babarian same to mongolian.but some young han-chinese don't know the history.manchurian forced han-chinese men to wear manchurian dress and cut the hair to make a pig tail behind head like manchurian men,it's very very ugly!if han-chinese men didn't follow manchurian,manchurian would cut their heads.millions and millions heads were cut by manchurian!just because my ancesters only wanted to keep dress and hair ourselves.before 1644AD China is super powerful country,but since manchurian stolen my country,it became poor and rude!that's why more and more young han-chinese decide to recover our real traditional culture,manchurian traditional isn't han-chinese traditional including the dress and hair!

thanks for your welcome,but my english is not very good,some replies i can't understand.

btw:i am the left second one(girl) in the first picture who wore white dress

the second one is manchurian dress.girls wore qipao.boy wore magua.it stands for manchurian culture not han-chinese.that's why foreigners looked down chinese since manchurian stolen my country to force my ancesters to wear their ugly dress and pig tail.

Qipao was made in 1920s' in Shanghai China.at the beginning only hookers wore it.but time goes by,other girls wore it also.now few girls wear qipao.i usually see the girls who are waiters in the hotel wear it.and the hooker still like to wear it now.I am pure-blooded han-chinese girl.in my whole life i never wear it.it's too "sexy".and my culture isn't "sexy",it is very deep.

Oh, 100,000,000 since 1644, not 100,000,000 in 1644. That makes it at least possible, I guess.

Are you worried that, as China becomes more capitalistic and money flows in, classes will develop, people won't all look the same, won't be equal anymore?

Do you think the old hatred, between all the different races Mao forced together as one people, will cause trouble...try to gain power? :confused:

i don't know your real meaning what you want to express,just cause my english is not very good.

they are true pictures.the first took on Oct 2005 in Beijing.the second took in Tianjin this year it is original from a picture news.

i am not worried that.neither han-chinese nor other china nationalities want to go back 30 years ago.when i was born,chairman Mao had died for 2 years.i only can know those years things from my parents.

i hope my country becomes more and more powerful

there are many new words in your reply just for me.but i haven't english-chinese dictionary with me now.i will take it to give you a good reply next time.:)

i can understand you.because they look very sexy,right?sexy is original from western not estern even China.sexy is 性感 in chinese.性感 is a new word which appeared a few years ago in China.

Don't worry sevenseven, I was replying to Ibram.

Why were you in a costume? It looks like those wu3 xia2 (kung fu) costumes they have in dramas. Heheh...

I like them both, equally, but for different reasons.

it seems you know a little han.

I am han.I speak han.I eat han food.why can't I wear han costume?I can feel I am closed to my ancesters when I wear it.wu xia costume is han costume too,it's one system.

the most important reason so many young han wore han costume is we decide to renew han costume today

I know what weapon is now.ehehe,usually han hold weapon on the waist not in dress.we can hide money in our dress;)

wo xiang na ge han de yi fu bi man chu de yi fu hao kan, ke shi han de yi fu gen ri ben de yi fu cha bu duo yi yang...

OK, for everyone that's as confused as I was, this will explain. ;)
http://www.answers.com/topic/han-chinese-clothing

We don't much care what you wear....except......

Leaving aside any possible "they all look alike" commentary ... in the photo Sevenseven posted ... see the guy in the brown on the left with the Buddhist monk serenity vibe going on? Check the large version of the picture that's in the link bruce posted ... same guy?

Many traditional costumes of East Asian countries, such as the kimono in Japan, along with the traditional Korean dress, Hanbok, have been heavily influenced by the Chinese Hanfu due to the extensive cultural exchanges between the neighbouring countries. In contrast to China, traditional Japanese and Korean dress have not been affected by similar changes like in China and thus have retained many core elements of the original Hanfu.

Are you studying han-chinese language?Ni zai xue han yu ma?Ni de han yu pin yin he yu fa hai bu cuo.

it's a good link.

I only hope you(westerners) know which the real China traditional dress is.Manchurian can't stand for China.Their dress can't stand for China dress.Only han-chinese traditional dress can stand for China.Only han culture can stand for China.Han is the primary nationality of China.Manchurian is just like mogolian and japanese who wanted to kill out han-chinese to invade China.In China history mongolian manchurian and japanese were all invaders to China people.Invaders' traditional culture(including dress) can't stand for the real China culture.

ya,maybe westerners only care how much they can get from China.

He is my friend who works in Guangzhou City.He is a normal han-chinese man not buddist.Yeah,same guy.

American wore han-chinese traditional dress(hanfu or han-costume)
 

Han-chinese and american wore han-costume at the same time.American in han-costume is beautiful too.That american girl likes han-costume very much.

I do now, thank you - very interesting.

I don't care about how much I can get out of China and I think it's unlikely many people on this forum do either. However national dress as a symbol of Han Chinese suppression is obviously important to you, and I respect that.

Culture changes all the time, and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it. What people choose to wear is not as important as their job, their education, having enough, and raising the children.

Dui, wo zhu guo bei jing san nian, gen xiang gang yi nian... wo xian zai zhu zai tai bei, xian xue han yu.

The history of Chinese clothing is interesting, I suppose--but doesn't everyone just wear jeans and t-shirts nowadays anyway? I think neither Han nor Manchurian really represent modern China anymore.

I found it interesting that my impression of "traditional" Chinese dress was actually Manchurian style. I'm guessing that most of our first impressions of China and its culture were formed during the 1800's when there was an influx of immigrants to this country and England's Colonial occupation of China brought the "orientalist" fad into being. I think that coincided with the victorian era. Don't bet on my scholarship though.

Welcome 77, can you give us a quick rundown of the dates of the various dynasties, and when the Han was most prominent? (I could also Wiki this)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Han_Dynasty

Han really isnt so much a dynasty as a race, a culture, an ethnicity. The Han Chinese are the Chinese majority, just as Han Yu is the Chinese language. The manchus came down and took over China way back when, and imposed the braids, bound feet, and manchu dress on the native population, as a way to enslave and rule them.

From Wikipedia:
"The reign of the Han Dynasty, lasting 400 years, is commonly considered within China to be one of the greatest periods in the entire history of China"

Who am I gonna believe? You or my lieing eyes?

the Han dynasty WAS a dynasty, but as sevenseven means it, it's a culture.

I should say thank you too.

It's difficult to renew traditional dress which was suppresed for 362 years.But we(young han people-the hope of China) can't give up even though so many chinese thought han-costume is japanese kimono or korean hanbok when we wore it in the streets.It's like revolution about national traditional.It's young han's turn.We can't pretend not seeing the fact that manchurian is standing for China in other countries now.We will do everything for our national and country even die.Neighbouring countries can study everything from China.But they can't say it's original from their countries.Chinese can't say it's japanese or korean symbol yet.We also hope all the world know the fact.Because China become more and more important now.We should introduce the real China culture to the whole world not a invader's culture.

It's a side of culture.I think culture has spirit and root like human-being.Who creat the culture?Human-being!It's living.

As a modern han-chinese people,I accept western culture,but it doesn't mean I will give up my national culture.Chinese is good at studying then add the good of other cultures into our own culture.It's han-chinese national character.

First, Han is the name of the ethnic group that accounts for at least 92% percent of Chinese population.

So please tell me who can really represent modern China now?

Let me help you to edit your reply,ok?

"Dui,wo zai bei jing zhu guo san nian,zai xiang gang zhu guo yi nian.wo xian zai zhu zai tai bei,xiang(?) xue han yu."

Good luck in Taipei.Hope you can study Han well.Then we can chat or talk in Han character.:)

The manchurian came down(yes) and took over(no,invaded is right,take over doesn't equal invade,manchurian killed nearly totally 1,000,000,000 han-chinese who were my ancesters).When they invaded China during the end of Ming Dynasty,manchurian wasn't native national of China.

Other expression of yours was basically right.

What exactly does the word "Han" mean in Chinese?

漢（汉）

First, Han is the name of the ethnic group that accounts for at least 92% percent of Chinese population.

The Han people was named after the Han dynasty, because that most of the basis of Han culture and Chinese nation were formed in the Qin and Han dysnasty.

Then how was the Han dynasty named?

The founder and the first emperor of the Han dynasty, Liu Bang, initiated his final and winning campaign in the Chu-Han War against Xiangyu, from a region known as Hanzhong (middle of han), hence the name Han dynasty.

Yet does the character have an actual meaning?

Yes. Han, as well as its various variants such as TianHan (heavens han), HeHan (river han), YunHan (cloud han), etc, refer to a one and only original meaning: the Galaxy.

Ancient Chinese believe that everything in the heavens has its counterpart on the ground, hence the name Hanshui (a river belived to be linked with the Galaxy) and Hanzhong (the region at the middle course of Hanshui).

Another actual meaning of Han in contemporary Chinese (also in contemporary Japanese) is (a) brave man(men). This meaning was probably first developed during the war between Han Empire and Hun Empire (Hun is a northern nomad nation), when defeated Hun soldiers cried out the words "Haohan (good han (soldier))" with their pidgin Chinese.

How did ancient Chinese people sit on the ground?
 

There are two basic styles in which ancient Chinese sat on the ground.

Ji style(left picture)

Ji style is the standard, polite and ceremonial sitting style for ancient Chinese people. When sitting in the Ji style, one sits with his/hers calves bending under the thights and his/hers back stretrching vertically.

Fu style(right picture)

Fu style is another common sitting style for ancient Chinese people. When sitting in the Fu style, one sites with his/hers legs crossed on the ground and his/hers back stretrching vertically.

I don't know why I can't open wiki now.

Thanks for your welcome.I will post a quick rundown of the dates of the various dynasties when the Han was most prominent soon.

The Han dynasty was from about 200BC to 200AD except for 15 years of the Xin dynasty in the middle.

From Wiki "..who in turn provide protection against crimes and other hazards", sounds like the Mafia. ;)

http://www.answers.com/topic/history-of-china

Chinese Dynasties
Dynasty Characteristics and History
Hsia
c.1994–c.1523 B.C. Semilegendary Emperor Yu built irrigation channels, reclaimed land. Bronze weapons, chariots, domestic animals used. Wheat, millet cultivated. First use of written symbols.
Shang or Yin
c.1523–c.1027 B.C. First historic dynasty. Complex agricultural society with a bureaucracy and defined social classes. Well-developed writing, first Chinese calendar. Great age of bronze casting.
Chou
c.1027–256 B.C. Classical age (Confucius, Lao Tzu, Mencius) despite political disorder. Written laws, money economy. Iron implements and ox-drawn plow in use. Followed by Warring States period, 403–221 B.C.
Ch'in
221–206 B.C. Unification of China under harsh rule of Shih Huang-ti. Feudalism replaced by pyramidal bureaucratic government. Written language standardized. Roads, canals, much of the Great Wall built.
Han
202 B.C.–A.D. 220 Unification furthered, but harshness lessened and Confucianism made basis for bureaucratic state. Buddhism introduced. Encyclopedic history, dictionary compiled; porcelain produced.
Three Kingdoms
A.D. 220–265 Division into three states: Wei, Shu, Wu. Wei gradually dominant. Confucianism eclipsed; increased importance of Taoism and Buddhism. Many scientific advances adopted from India.
Tsin or Chin
265–420 Founded by a Wei general; gradual expansion to the southeast. Series of barbarian dynasties ruled N China. Continued growth of Buddhism.
Sui
581–618 Reunification; centralized government reestablished. Buddhism, Taoism favored. Great Wall refortified; canal system established.
T'ang
618–907 Territorial expansion. Buddhism temporarily suppressed. Civil service examinations based on Confucianism. Age of great achievements in poetry (Li Po, Po Chü-i, Tu Fu), sculpture, painting.
Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms
907–960 Period of warfare, official corruption, general hardship. Widespread development of printing (see type); paper money first printed.
Sung
960–1279 Period of great social and intellectual change. Neo-Confucianism attains supremacy over Taoism and Buddhism; central bureaucracy reestablished. Widespread cultivation of tea and cotton; gunpowder first used militarily.
Yüan
1271–1368 Mongol dynasty founded by Kublai Khan. Growing contact with West. Confucian ideals discouraged. Great age of Chinese playwriting. Revolts in Mongolia and S China end dynasty.
Ming
1368–1644 Mongols expelled. Confucianism, civil service examinations, reinstated. Contact with European traders, missionaries. Porcelain, architecture (see Chinese architecture), the novel and drama flourish.
Ch'ing or Manchu
1644–1912 Established by the Manchus. Territorial expansion but gradual weakening of Chinese power; decline of central authority. Increasing European trade; foreign powers divide China into spheres of influence. Opium War; Hong Kong ceded; Boxer Uprising. Last Chinese monarchy.

Except Yuan and Ch'ing or Manchu,others are all han people dynasty.

Han Tang Sung Ming were all very great.

Wikipedia is taboo in China?

Somtime it is taboo,sometime not.

It's probably taboo when it's about China.