Hypocritical USA haters in Levis...
 

Inspired more from other boards, but not completely...

Hanging out at Disney and on FL beaches bitching about how much they hate us, using their American based (or even fully American) education to figure out what they dislike about us, while having their parents treated for cardiovascular disease in NY and investing in Dell to retire in Arizona....

I say it all the time, we are "evil" when we "police the world" and then we are "evil" when we "refuse to police the world". They don't know what they want other than someone who is not afraid to make a decision to blame.
It's called envy.
Again, as always, don't use our cash, don't take our aid, don't use our technology (in any field), don't ask us to bail your ass out of any situation, don't come here for heart, brain surgery, vacation or retirement or send your kids to school here, don't come here to work so you can buy a home in your broke-ass country instead of staying there an fixing it yourself.... don't, don't, don't do shit with the US... THEN you won't have shit to complain about.
It's easy.

Don't like the US... stay the FUCK away from ANYTHING to do with us you pathetic little hypocrite. Stay in your own little nation and be happy.
I understand not liking an aspect... but that is not what I hear all the time... so if you "hate" us... then you hate all of it.

I am the biggest dissenter I know... but I am also a patriot.
I love this nation, that means I want to change it, from within, with caring and love for the citizens, with voting, by changing it's laws and by changing the hearts and minds of the citizens and by getting rid of the current administration (&, hopefully, prosecuting them).

What I have no room for are those that say that America is "BAD", that say Americans are "BAD", yet prosper from all they can from every aspect of our technology, economy, entertainment, military and every other form of advancements we have, when it suits them. How many of you are typing your bitching out on an American brand computer now, hypocrites?
If we are all bad, then we are ALL BAD and that means you should do away with ALL AMERICA IN YOUR NATION AND LIVES. Not just what you WANT TO and then KEEP THE PARTS YOU WANT, while acting like you hate us.

Like spoiled fifteen year olds that say they hate their parents, but take the allowance anyway.

RK; The Conservative Union of repubican Supporters (CURS) would like to inform you that your calls will be monitored henceforth, as will your e-mail. While CURS support freedom and liberty, you are only free to oppose democrats, not the repubicans or the cheney administration. Feel free to demonstrate against oval office blowjobs and the welfare program, but if you oppose this administration, you will be Plamed! :D

On Sept 12, 2001, I endosed temporarily closing our borders to non-Americans. That gesture would not only have protected us, it would have shown that the world would be worse off without us, and would likely have increased our esteem.

Nice rant.

I thought Levi jeans and Dell computers were made overseas these days.

The US Haters are just living the dream, taking with one hand and stabbing you in the back with the other, pure undiluted capitalism.

*boggle* wait...are you a republican? a democrat? Some unholy marriage of the two? Gasp...could you be an independent?

I CAN'T DECIDE!!!!

Please, choose either donkeys or elephants so that you can participate in the political process without looking like a total noob. kthxbai.

Instead of marijuana, you're packin' it with neo-conservatism, which, while I'm sure it gets you higher (it obviously leads to hallucination), rots your brain.

Don't forget that they can say all this trash talk about the US, and hardly anyone will come and kill them in the night.

I am a democrat. My views from experience.

My little rants I usually keep inside.

A cashier newly hired responded to me in spanish. Then asked in english if I spoke spanish. I simply said no. He asked "why" I said "because I don't have to" and continued on my business. ( He was being a jerk)

Two middle eastern guys looking at the monday paper. The towers all ablaze. I made eye contact and said hello. Something other than hostility was there. Some kind of wanting to reach for a middle ground. To make amends. I didn't know if I wanted to appologize for that photo. Conflicting emotions. I didn't want anyone gloating for that act nor did I want to be a part of photo sensationalizm.

Driving in for gasoline. A stationed owned by Middle eastern indians. They have a photo of thier son hanging. He is a marine. They tell me thank you so much for comming in in such a way that spoke volumes. I said it was my pleasure. I walked out wondering how much hate comes their way because of the ignorance of people. Their hurt running double because they have a son serving now.

I don't like my credit card information outsourced to another country though.

Just like real policing, global policing and evil are orthogonal.

It's okay to stay a registered democrat after you discover that little separates you from the conservatives, if it makes you feel better.

Your guilt over the arabic-looking guys looking at pics of 9/11 is a clear liberal trait though. You don't need to feel guilty over something you didn't do, didn't cause, and neither did they.

Listen to Wolf. She's wise.

I haven't met a smart anti-neocon yet. A few who think they're smart, yes, but you couldn't prove it by me; the stupid say stupid things. Scratch an anti-neocon deep enough and the substrate looks indistinguishable from an anti-American. Just who the hell needs that?

When there is another political party with enough clout to defeat the 'in house' republicans then I'll change otherwise it's a waisted effort. One person changing my affiliation won't change a thing. If democrats would come together in like mindedness there could be a radical change. I think the many is greater than the few in our American politics anyway.

I don't think alternating emotions of shame and protectiveness is guilt. I am ashamed of our government. I am ashamed of our sentationalistic media. Oh but I know they had a right to touch that photo. The same right they had to touch the model on the cover of the womans magazine. I know they weren't to blame. I put the blame on our government.

You're like the crazy neighbor in sitcoms, aren't you? You waltz in, say something wacky and then disappear. :rolleyes:

Neo-Cons are not conservative in ANY way (smaller government, belief in the Constitution/Bill Of Rights... MY ASS!?) any more than today's Democratic party resembles the Democratic Party's true charter in any way... Clinton did WHAT to the nation's public lands?
Green or Libertarian is the wave of the future... I am a Libertarian, with some reservations on the hard-line environmental policy.
Back on topic...
What is pissing me off is that all Americans are lumped-in with Bush and his insane cohorts with these whiny bitches...
I live in the deep, DEEP, south, however, I have yet to hear the most nutty redneck lump all Iraqis in with the insurgency.

Ronald Reagan completely ignored the same neocons which are pulling the foreign policy strings now. He was smart which is confirmed by the current affairs.

Why do the Yanks always think people hate them when foreigners just hate their guvmint. We love y´all!

Archie Bunker´s alter ego. Annoying at the most, but usually good for a laugh.

Only when she agrees with you, thouh. Right?
That's OK. I've never met a smart conservative. Scratch one deep enough and it's the same selfishness inside every one of 'em. Put your republinders back on.

The deep south ends at the Florida border. You do not live in the deep south.

Florida is New York State, but with Bermuda shorts and a light jacket in February.

Selfishness??? Spexx, dear boy, you are without experience of William F. Buckley. You aren't going to find selfishness in that guy, nor stupidity. And then there are the right-of-center guys who can keep up with him.

And your first remark was utterly unworthy of reply. Resist the temptation to declare yourself a schmuck, okay?

Glatt, all I need say to this is "Q.E.D."

Then you have spent 0 min in the Panhandle and in Central Fl.
True... if you are not a multi-millionaire you are voting against your interests... just stupid. Neo-cons, mean to boot.

As long as people are content with catagorizing themselves into these impossibly monolithic groups, and de-humanizing those who are "against" them, we will keep getting bamboozled by the us-versus-them politics of boogeyman-ism. The "two-party system" has become a one-party (divide and conquer) system.

^ That.

Does this sound liberal or conservative?:

"don't tax me. More money in my pocket"
"I shouldn't have to pay for other people's welfare, social security, or medicare. More money in my pocket"
"don't regulate my business - I want all the profits, and if my employees get hurt or sick, or if residents around my factory suffer, I don't care, as long as I'm raking in the dough"
"there shouldn't be a minimum wage - if I can get away with paying someone to work for $1.00/hour, I should be allowed to. More in my pocket."
"illegal immigration is great! Those wetbacks work for just about nothing. More money in my pocket"

:rolleyes:

Does that mean he has finished rewriting history?

Sometimes his behavior is a little too unbelievable. This being the Internet, I'm still not sure that UG isn't the alter ego of another Cellarite. It would be pretty funny if at the end of the year TW confessed that he made him up, or better yet, Marichiko.;)

:lol:

No, the personna I REALLY made up was L J! Fooled you,eh?

Well....yes...but I think Jinx is in for the real shock. :eek:

Some political theory history for everyone:
The neocons primary theoretical antecendent is Leo Strauss, a Trotskyite. Irving Kristol called the neoconservatives, "Socialists who just got mugged." More generally, they're welfare-staters (whether it be personal welfare or corporate) who supported Reagan during the Cold War and they're primarily defined by their foreign policy stances (specifically pre-emptive 'Big Stick'/military action over diplomacy) rather than domestic ones.
Also, they're mostly assholes. They're the ones that make shit up to get their way in government, (e.g., the OSP [Doug Feith's group] in the Pentagon and the current Pentagonian Iran Working Group [and if you don't believe they're trying to get us into Iran, despite the failures in Iraq, you're fooling yourself]).
So, for all you 'liberal haters' out there, be aware of how you label yourselves.

People will label your labels!

And then others will label the label-labelers!

<Descriptory Label>
*Applied to UT*
HA! Take that!

I'm suing you for libel! You'll be liable! Because you're unreliable!

Don't take me for a joke i'm no comedian
Too many mental problems got me snortin coke and smokin weed again
I'm goin up over the curb, drivin on the median
Finally made it home, but i don't got the key to get in
-Eminem (when the lad actually had talent)

back in the good/bad (delete according to prejudice) old days, that was called 'lack of moral fibre'...

Yeah, but we just laughed at the way you spell fiber and kept on doin' it.:lol:

I dunno, that rant sounds a bit teenagery, too. I dont think the pouty tantrum of isolationism is very feasible for anyone, economically. :)

I don't either. An isolationist philosophy really only works under a certain set of international circumstance, and isn't going to work in an age of instant communications all around the globe and nuclear missiles.

Well, fantasy can be funny.

Perhaps, rich, you should take up martial arts -- something I need to get back into myself, and if you can't get out more and see how many varieties of people our wide land contains and their worthiness, at the very least read Soldier of Fortune for one year. You don't grok me because you don't have the concepts; you haven't had the education. I'm realer than you'd like, and I challenge your ideas of how human beings are by my mere existence, to say nothing of what I post. I'm here to chivvy you into a wider world, being less provincial in my outlook than you.

I have no problem with allies, as long as they are truly allies and not just using us while hating us and undermining our interests every chance they get.
I'll have to find a site I have with the votes of our closest "allies" in the UN... you really see where they stand.

I don't follow that. By isolationist, I thought we were talking about economic self reliance, self controlled, self contained, as much as possible.

Are you speaking of isolationist as a physical defense mode, a metaphorical Great Wall of China? :confused:

Do you want allies or lackeys?

I don't think isolationism can be equated with wanting to be totally self-reliant, and if it turns out it can then maybe it's not such a bad thing. Look at the Japanese, they would be called isolationist under that argument and they're kicking ass the world over. We need to emulating THEM, not the other way 'round right now.

I want allies.
I agree 9th, the Japanese model is an excellent one. While maintaining a strong home military and strengthening our borders.

It is very simple... don't do business with people who don't like you. If they bad-mouth you or go against you interests, on a regular basis, just don't. If they start, call in your debts from them, NOW.
We need to start making nations pay back our loans anyway & if they do not, remove natural resources. Easy enough to off-shore drill until the over-due debt is paid or something similar.

We do NOT want to get that ball rolling. We borrow considerably more than we lend.

The Japs have virtually zero natural resources, which is why they have waged war on their neighbors repeatedly.
They have the social structure to be very productive when given raw materials and a market.... we gave them both. :cool:

You see, this is the quality stuff that makes me think UG isn't 'real'. It's wonderful prose, egocentric bordering on narcissist. It reminds me of the bad fiction contest they hold each year in honor of the guy who first came up with "It was a dark and stormy night". Using 'grok' was brilliant since a Heinlein reference is absolutely necessary in a post from a modern age warrior (I prefer Kipling). Still, UG didn't quite hit that evocative tone that's really needed. Let me try to punch it up a little.

:cool:

How's that?

excellent, rich. Talk to tw, he may even let you take over writing the UG persona for a while.

Thanks. The only problem I have is that I had a typographical error with the word 'Soldier'. UG's posts do not have misspelling or typographical errors.

My muse in the writing was the scene in "Blues Brothers" where Henry Gibson is sitting in uniform painting a statue of an eagle.:rolleyes:

hahahahha, yes! Go Blues Brothers!
that movie comes on here, on tv, about once a week.

I'm afraid the smart course is that we must assume that everyone is using everyone to some extent. As we do. The search for unconditional love in politics will break your heart. And If believe you find it, it eventually leads to more bad than good.

"Unconditional" and "love" never enter into it. It is simply a matter of joint interests.

You mention that true allies dont use or hate us. So conditions and love entered into your statement. But I agree, it is a matter of joint interests and it is very romantic to think that allies could ever be solidly, enduringly "true".

I guess you haven't seen the clip of Bush and Blair singing, "I want to take you to a gay bar". :D

The thing is, if you hate an organization or company, you hate what they do or what they stand for, you don't support them, borrow from them, allow their agents into your home or property, etc. It is that simple.

No, it's not that simple, because that isn't how things work.

I demand that it may or may not be "that simple" !!! It's either one or the other, damnit !!! :::deflects incoming rebuttals:::

Love that Rich. Haven't ever seen the word "grok" ever during my travels on various forums the last 7 years until our demi-god UG used it here. Guess where my preference lies...

So, your ethics don't dictate your actions... *note to self, "remain safe distance from Ibram"*

Isolationist. ; )

Wow, that was a William S. Burroughs moment.

hey, I'm not saying thats not how it SHOULD work or that its not how I would do things. I'm just saying, thats not how international politics work. I, however, am not a country, and so I dont give a shit for how international politics work, I'll do things my way, how I see fit.