Everything Is Just Peachy
 

https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...GOP-Memo-1.pdf

November 12, 2019

Debunked: Response to GOP Memo

Numerous witnesses told Congress that President Trump pressed Ukraine to intervene in the upcoming U.S. elections by initiating and public announcing investigations into (1) his political opponent (Biden); and (2) debunked conspiracy theories regarding foreign interference in the 2016 election.

The American people will hear first-hand from these witnesses beginning this week. In an internal memo released publicly today, the GOP makes four main arguments in support of the President. Below are facts that show their arguments are patently false.

let's see what happens on the senate side (if it ever gets there)
 

i got a fiver sayin' the house never has an impeachment vote and that articles of impeachment never get entered into the record

This morning's testimony is damning. Democrats will have no choice but to hold the vote.

We'll see.

The dems will absolutely hold the vote. It will pass.

It will then die a miserable death in the senate.

You know how Trump has overtaken the whole GOP and they're all compelled by force to go along with his every whim? What if... they all got a chance to just get rid of him. I don't want to hold out hope that this will happen, but.

ain't never gonna reach the senate
 

As I say: I got a fiver sayin' there'll never be an impeachment vote, never be articles of impeachment entered into the record.

Private message me an address, Toad. I'll mail the cash to you to dispense with as you see fit, if I'm wrong.

Only now the house is using terms like "bribery" and "extortion" rather than "quid pro quo".

Which doesn't sound like backing off to me.

What it sounds like is 'desperately fishin'. When that doesn't pan out, Schiff and his band will move the goal post again and again and again. They'll keep it kickin' right up to November '20 if they can. But they'll never hold an impeachment vote, never foist up articles.

Do they make a $5000 note?

I ain't doin' five thousand. I'm certain impeachment won't happen, but -- if I'm wrong -- I can't afford to be out that much.

I'll do five bucks.

Can't be made to give a shit. One way, or the other.

It's fun to watch you guys sometimes, though...

It's more accurate.

I agree, but my point was that dems are not walking their actions back.

Indeed.

Well, they can't, not without losin' face.

They're in a hard place: can't move forward, can't fall back.

They can move forward just fine.

They win either way in this situation.

What we need is the dissolution of the Democratic Party -- for its prejudice. Replace them with a pack of assorted Republicans and Libertarians.

The persecution under color of law -- or purportedly so -- is what's known in psychology as a smokescreen. Every barely imaginable excuse is thrown up as a reason, but none of these is the real reason.

The real reason is they're trying to impeach Trump for not being -- well, her name does not pass my lips; not that Mistress of Corruption. This drives all the persecuters' prejudice; they have in aid of their shameful prejudice sucked up *all* the corruption and prejudice in Washington. For the time being, the Republicans can't have any.

Our draconian ("Written in blood, not ink!") Donkey Party solons exhibit a low and insufficiently democratic character. Winning an election fair and square against one of their own, their corrupted own, is no sort of actionable offense, but a tonic to the free Republic.

No, they can't.

Movin' forward means impeachin', which they can't do (cuz they got nuthin', sumthin' that would be painfully obvious to everyone once the mess goes senate-side).

Fallin' back means admittin' right now the whole mess is just a horse & pony show, sumthin' that would disappoint the rabid and mebbe cost dems seats.

And my employee sits pretty no matter what, gets another four in the oval.

*shrug*

It is what it is.

Absolutely they can. If they push forward and win, they win.

Even if they push forward and lose, they paint the senate as a rigged jury, and they have their base and moderates happy for the 2020 house elections. Which isn't a solid win, but it is better than being viewed as "too timid", which is how Pelosi lost control of the house back in her 2006 tenure.

The only way they can lose is to withdraw the inquiry.

What have they got nothin' of? The subject of the investigation has confessed, multiple times in public.

"Absolutely they can. If they push forward and win, they win."

Which, again, is why they won't proceed to an actual impeachment vote: they can't win, cuz they got nuthin'.

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"The only way they can lose is to withdraw the inquiry."

Oh, they lose no matter what. Press forward, fall back, stand still: they lose.

But, as I say up-thread: we'll see.

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"The subject of the investigation has confessed"

See? It's a Rorschach test again: you say he 'confessed' (to some high crime); I say he's just been doin' his job (and has been open and honest about it). We're seein' what we wanna see.

Even if things play out clear through to the senate and are concluded (one way or the other) we'll still see what we want to (cuz this is a 'political' drama, not a 'legal' one).

He said he didn't do "quid pro quo", he just asked for something in exchange for something. It's not a Rorschach test, it's a question of whether you can use Google translate.

"We do it all the time!"
 

Yep, ask smokin' joe about that: he's proud of how handled them ewe-crane folks.

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"he just asked for something in exchange for something"

That's the opinion of some folks, yeah. The proof of it, well, that's what the hearings are about, yeah?

Embezzlement is using company funds to pay for a personal product, gain, or favor. Does it really matter that the company, this time, is the government?

He (and his father Fred) have been doing this sort of thing his entire adult life. Only real question: is it flagrant enough (are the crimes broad enough) to justify impeachment?

If you're not intelligibly responding to me, don't quote me. plz thx

An author has little relevance. A sentence relevant to the topic is quoted.

The quoted sentence is an example of what can be called embezzlement. And an example of how what The Don has always done.

Please only post rational thoughts.

Embezzlement involves money, anything else is just theft.

"please post only rational thoughts"

ha ha! f%ck off, weirdo

He used public money, structures, and staff for private gain. That is embezzlement. And theft. And conspiracy.

Clearly crimes. But it may not be enough for impeachment.

Wacko extremist again using his penis for a brain. Using your emotional thought processes and insults - then maybe you might understand how manipulated and demented you are. I doubt it. Your extremist addiction and nasty attitude has been too long.

There is a drug for that.

Maybe you should start a thread and call each of us out on our wacko extremist views, complete with links to our statements.

Extremism in the defense of extremism is not a vice.

Not productive either, although possibly cathartic. ;)

Somebody tell TW that I found them for him...

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If he was really an adult, he would not post insults like a wacko extremist. Adult use reason. He posted his emotions. That is why extremists exist and are so easily brainwashed.

He could learn to address the logic rather than endorse what Trump encourages wackos to do - insult people. But he doesn't.

The Don used public money, structures, and staff for private gain. That is embezzlement. And theft. And conspiracy. That says what he does and why it is both anti-social and criminal. And why it is a violation of Article II Section 1 of the Constitution.

So address the point. Is that criminal activity broad enough to justify impeachment? The wacko, instead, posted insults. Since that is what they are ordered to do.

Gravdigr - another extremist. He also only posts his emotions.

Griff - you tend to do what the extremists here do not. You include reasons why - as any adult would do.

Said by an extremist to justify his emotions. And so he openly advocated the massacre of 50,000 American servicemen for no purpose in a war justified only by emotions. And in violation of well understood concepts defined some 2500 years previously.

Extremists do not apologize for killing another 5000 in Iraq for no purpose. Otherwise facts that contradicted emotions would be acknowledged.

Back then, a moderate clearly defined what would be a disaster - and said why using well understood military concepts. Because statements were made by also saying why - what moderates do.

And, at no time were insults posted at, for example, UT for ignoring those well understood facts. Moderates need not post insults. Extremist do. And so they love Trump.

Extremists so emotional as to even claim shooting of student at Kent State was justified. Nobody was even investigated for those murders. Extremism justified their extremist actions.

Well, that wasn't at all alarming.

Urbane Guerrilla does his very best to be alarming. I find it helps to imagine him wearing a suit of duct-tape-and-foam LARPing armor while making his overwrought proclamations.

While sitting on a polka dot toadstool.

If it is a toadstool, then those must be warts. Because everyone know toads breed warts. Somebody told me. It must be true.

I was joking. I would have thought that would have been obvious.

Nope, nothing it obvious, it fits his script or it doesn't. ;)

Only the prejudiced believe that one, tw. You harbor prejudice, and resent a suggestion that not doing so would be enlightened thought. You resent all the decent, embrace all the nasty and immoral.

Which has left you a virgin for life.

Turning to a more general infection of the body politic, we come to our Democratic solons taking counsel of their prejudices. While abandoning shame.

A session of the bastinado may induce shame in them. Or perhaps getting pantsed on the Capitol's steps and getting Public Enema #1. (in a series of 51, in the several States and the District) A great deal of purgation seems called for with these disgraces to the Beltway.

Sterling fellow that I am, I harbor no prejudice. This allows me to give Trump a fair shake. The antiTrumpkins all refuse to, as a matter of not-principle, but in the service of their raw, naked, evil, anti-American prejudices -- which could be a pretext to ship them off to Nicaragua. With only pocket change.

The joke was obviously on that extremist. I was not joking. He was. And did not even know it.

Hey Shirley? Joking again? You can do better.

And once, no, twice, again, tw takes up the cudgel for undemocratic tyrannies, for he loves the way of less liberty. This love keeps tw utterly, psychotically immoral, and in fetters to a fascist emotion.

And he thinks, in all penile encephaly, that America is *the* place to be a Fascist in -- and/or a Communist. But a non-free person.

Persons of more sense and less Fascistic emotions, tw, don't buy your argument. You are a slave, and you are only a slave. Except for the part of you that is bad material for an adult relationship, and a puerile whiner against adulthood and liberty.

Less than democracy and a free social order is tolerable to one demographic: the sociopathic. People who disagree with tw like democracy. Those demihuman brownshirts who agree with tw don't.

I can certainly do even better by voting for Trump this next go-round, can't I? More employment, less Federal impedance to the economy's working, an actual pro-American stance lacked by his two Democrat predecessors, etc.

Remember that you do not have self-respect or amour-propre, while I do. You have only your prejudices, and the sooner they induce a fatal brain lesion, the happier the Cellar. Remember also that you order the world to offend tw, and injure tw.

Happily, I have more self respect than that.

Those who mistake the Democratic Party for having virtue these days would find it alarming. Those not laboring under that mistake aren't alarmed one bit. The oligarchic road, the divide-and-rule, heavy emphasis on the latter, of the Donkey Party and the demographics that favor it above all else -- that is alarming. One may avoid much foolishness by not mistaking the Donkey Party for America.

This is the party that nominated, elected, and reelected an anti-American socialist for President, and before him a grifter, and the party whose defective groupthink offered us the Unindicted Felon most lately. It also makes a home for socialists so radical as to be fanatically opposed to... the economy.

Machine politics is very unattractive stuff when you look at the gears whirling. It is the mainstay of the Democrats.

Clodfobble, you need, if you like personal integrity, to revise your adjectives. My pronouncements are liberty-minded. You find that unfashionable, or somehow unacceptable. You're not liberty-minded, and that keeps you from adulthood. I won't tell you not to go there -- too late -- but I can tell you not to stay there. Be liberty-minded and come to admirable manhood -- it doesn't hurt or anything.

Oh, I can assure you that coming to manhood would be quite painful for me. I like my tits and bits where they are.

This is surreal.

Is anyone else having fun watching Sondland and President Trump throw each other under the bus?

I am. I listen to the hearings on a Baton Rouge NPR outlet as I tool around. It's a wonderful 3 Ring Circus.

It's like watching the Titanic back up for another run at the iceberg.

Gordon Sondland under cross:
"Other than my own presumption." The newspaper and network sites are full of this conversation.

Fair enough. Be liberty-minded and come to admirableness anyway. Still doesn't hurt.

I'm not here to steer you wrong; you are not being played with nor deceived.

More like watchin' a donkey kick at shadows.

Whatever works.

Trump has been doing this corruption all his life. He (like Al Capone) knows he can murder someone on Fifth Ave and still be elected president. He knows how easily his supporters can be ordered what to think.

This president is so ignorant as to even surrender in Syria because Erdogan told him it would be good. Erdogan simple did what others do to manipulate the scumbag. Praise his ego.

It also explains why he believes Putin - who said all 17 American intelligence agencies lied. And why he said it is good and OK for N Korea to continue their missile testing and nuclear bomb manufacturing. He knows his disciples will believe any lie he says.

Even Nixon was never this corrupt. 40% of Americans were so brainwashed as to believe Nixon was honest - right up to the end. How many Americans watched their comrades die uselessly in Vietnam - to protect Nixon's legacy. Dejavue - this time Trump.

If he was honest, then all his people could testify - since there was no crime. He cannot. His entire life has been corrupt. So he must obstruct justice - as he was doing even over 30 years ago with his father Fred.

Anyone who thinks Trump is innocent has been brainwashed for over 30 years. He was always well known in NY for his corruption - and getting away with it. Just like Al Capone - who also tried to hide his tax returns.