Race in America
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Is there any evidence of things getting any better?
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Yes. Things are much better. This made the news and the cops got in trouble.
Only a few years ago, this would go unnoticed. |
I think good quality video in everyone's pocket can help. "Karen" in Central Park was unable to get a guy in trouble...
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IIRC, they both had left before the cops got there, so there's no way to know how that would have gone.
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Of course this is where photo-shopping could really hurt us. I'm already seeing pictures of the officer at a Trump rally and wearing a hat with a racist slogan. Our divisions are easy targets for bad actors.
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That is wise man, I think I need to find some balance in my social media intake. It'll be easier when I get back to work next week.
We finished watching When They See Us about the Central Park Five last night. Now I'm obsessing on race. Media plays such a big role in this. The press ran with the Wilding story which was an early domino in a lot of bad shit in NYC and the country. |
One of my High School friends is dealing with the terror of race right now. She adopted two African babies years ago and is raising them in rural NY. The boys are really tall well built middle-schoolers who look like high-schoolers and by all accounts are smart sweet kids. It may not really matter who they are though, it's what they are...
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In that event, the suspect was fully handcuffed and walked back to a police car. For some reason he fell to the ground at that car. And then the officer pressed his knee into that black suspect for maybe four minutes. Doing so (for some reason) even with one hand constantly in his pocket. Pressed until (as paramedics speculate) the suspect died. Paramedics never found a pulse. |
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Racism is the result of lazy thinking. Thinking is hard, observing and learning should be an ongoing process, *like children do*. They do it because it's fun and interesting. *Adults* who believe they already know what they need to know about a situation or a person, and act in a racist way, they're exhibiting a learned behavior. But they're doing in place of actual learning--just concluding. That's prejudice; prejudging before the pertinent information is known. |
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Because others are lazy and for many other reasons. All reasons directly traceable to making decisions from an emotional brain. And not waiting to learn facts - that the adult brain needs before it can make any such judgement. Yes, lazy is one reason why people do not have enough attention span to learn before making judgement. And so we have a president who is a classic racist - who makes all judgments using his 30 second attention span. Just another of many reasons why one judges others only using emotions. And in his case, also due to ego. Another reasons for his racist behavior. Judging anyone by first impressions is racism. The Don does that constantly - like any good racist always does. No wonder he publically praised the KKK, White Supremacists, and Nazis. Nobody has any logical reason to believe racism is only about race. Yes, one may foolishly make that conclusion because race and racism sound so similar. Using another classic thinking error called 'word association'. As if somebody from Hungary must always be hungry. It must be true. Those words sound alike. Racism has always been about judging others only using first impressions. Why they do can be explained by so many other reasons. Skin color was simply a first and obvious example, so blatant, that millions must die. Lazy is only one of many reasons why racist judge people only on first impressions. |
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How emotional was he? His knee was in George Floyd's neck for almost nine minutes. Floyd had stopped displaying signs of life after about four minutes. Clearly was not a threat to anyone. Derek Chauvin's hand were even in his pockets. Floyd was never a threat. That was absolute (maximum) contempt for Floyd.
Contempt is obviously an example of the emotional brain making decisions. If his adult brain was in charge, he would have put Floyd in a police car eight minutes earlier - long after Floyd was fully handcuffed. Or he would have investigated why Floyd was not moving for so many minutes. All that is required by police training. But that requires one to be using the brain of an adult. To be thinking in a logical and responsible manner. The brain of a child is not capable of thinking logically or responsible. That is where contempt, anger, hate, fear, prejudice, and stereotyping comes from. The job of an adult's brain is to control and restrain a child's brain. Only adults can learn police training. Only adults have mental abilities (the adult brain) to learn that stuff. Others were also using emotions. Three other officers, if thinking like an adult, would have intervened. They clearly did not even try. That was not a adult acting in an adult manner. They also demonstrated contempt - an emotional decision - for a black man. If acting as an adult, police training would have intervened. But responsibility and logical thought only comes from an adult's brain. We know from statistics and from police training that those four officers would not have done that had it been a white man. Floyd was not a threat to anyone - as Chauvin clearly demonstrates. He had so much emotional contempt for Floyd as to even leave his hands in his pockets. Floyd was dead long before those nine minutes. That was not an accident. Or even manslaughter. That was murder directly traceable to emotional decisions (contempt, prejudice, stereotyping) by Chauvin and three peers. An adult who uses emotion to kill someone is, at minimum, second degree murder. If his contempt for Floyd can be proven that massive - that emotional, then that is 1st degree murder. Four years earlier, a black man was stopped outside Minneapolis. An officer requested the passenger's license. Castile was not even driving. That black man reached for his wallet. Cop shot him five times. The officer later said a black man was reaching for something. Of course he was - his wallet. He even said so. An emotional officer knew it was a gun and shot him ... five times. That is not a decision based only in emotions? Of course it is. That is an adult acting like a child. Those who do not learn what an adult is required to do also love Trump. He openly encourages emotional behavior. The emotional love it when Trump lies daily. Promotes hate. Stereotypes others. Constantly demonstrates prejudiced and insults them. Many adults do not act as adults. They entertain their emotions. A "Me-Me-Me-Me" attitude that even wants to 'wreck shit'. A child only understands the world in terms of "Me-Me-Me". He does not yet have an adult's brain. So childish as to even believe their rights are more important than their responsibilities. Only the brain of an adult understands things such as responsibility. |
The logical conclusion then is that those accused officers should be tried as children (not adults) and if convicted, placed in juvenile detention until they pass remedial training and testing to verify they have met the standard for being adults. Once accomplished, their records should be sealed so as not to be used against them after they embark on their second chance in life as law abiding/enforcing adult citizens. FMLA should cover the time lost and the police union should cover the expenses at no cost to the taxpayers.
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An adult is required to be responsible. That means an adult brain must always control and override the child's brain. That is the law. And essential so that all citizens to have rights. Can a jury contain adults who will act in an adult manner? Ignore their emotions to see tis crime logically - without prejudice, sympathy, or stereotyping? That is actually quite hard for many adults. We need only learn from a Mission Accomplished war to see so many who ignored facts and numbers. To feel Saddam had WMDs only because of emotions. Fake Fox News, like its predecessor Radio Moscow, targets and preaches to adults who still think like children. Adults who act like children (and violate laws) deserve hard time. Adults are not allowed to be irresponsible. |
This country protects adults who still think like children. They're considered impaired and not responsible for their actions.
I've already sent my suggestion to the White House and reported your reply to the Dept. of Child Protective Services. |
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Curious. Moderates don't need all that weaponry. Only adults who are still children do. |
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Of course I'm right. You label everyone who would support Trump, before even getting to know anything else about them, based upon just that first impression. That's racist.
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It's a terrible time your country is facing at the moment. I would not like to be in it. Apparently other countries are also protesting on behalf of POC in your country and also their own. I'm not sure if it's happening in Australia too. I think all countries have issues with racism though, either against immigrants or indigenous. The issue in America is somewhat different to just about anywhere else due to the origins of most of the people protesting. It's fairly particular to the US. Your Pres is coming off as a complete fuckwit to the rest of the world too, so that's got to make it harder. I hope the Dems make it past the post at the end of the year. God forbid Trump gets another bite at the cherry.
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Trump is mostly expendable now. Some elected him for his tactical value in curbing immigration in various ways and may vote for him again despite the mediocre job he did (he didn't get the wall built) since there's the rest of the conservative agenda too.
For those of us playing the long game, any Republican would have done in the last election: it just happened to end up being Trump. The strategic objective was to elect whoever could get a conservative majority on the US Supreme court. That keeps liberal justices from appeasing simple majorities by reinterpreting (spinning) the US Constitution to effect change; thus, bypassing the 2/3 majority needed to effect change by changing the Constitution. The tradeoff of having President Trump for four years to get a lifetime Supreme Court that's resistant to the whims of political correctness was a bargain with the devil; but, it worked. That having been accomplished, the next President can be elected for entirely different reasons. |
It was an interesting bet, wouldn't be sure that Trump hasn't created a firmer resolve in the left and while alienating the center. Since the court packing was partly done by denying Obama a seat to fill, the impeachment of Kavanaugh and a followup court packing could be in play. Court packing probably won't happen under Biden but a block of national healthcare probably leads to a radical takeover of the Party.
On race, my daughters college roommate 130 pounds of pretty meek gay poet let his Jesuit social conscience off leash. He stood between POC and the Philly Cops. His white privilege card was apparently revoked automatically. The ER sent him home so apparently no skull fracture, but concussion and bleeding. |
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It makes him angry (a tantrum) to learn what justified his beliefs. Sexobon wants to impose extremist beliefs on all. A Supreme Court of moderates is will not do that. He forgets what right wing extremists believe and openly stated on the Supreme Court. Nobody has a right to privacy. It is not in the Constitution. And it would obstruct right wing fascism. A church wants to pack people in worship claiming that is an essential business. Everyone (using the adult brain) knows worshipping a god can be done anywhere at any time - all alone. Nobody need collect. With contempt for the rights and lives of all others (especially nurses and doctors), extremists took their Me-Me-Me demands to the Supreme Court. All extremist justices voted to spread a Coronaviruse onto all others. Fortunately the Chief Justice decided to vote as a patriot - a moderate. So the Governor's edict stands. Their Me-Me-Me needs were obstructed by adults thinking like adults - moderates. Only emotions need to pack people together to worship any god. They must go to be told what to think. Only right wing extremists say that is essential. Meanwhile, America was founded on a principle that right wing extremists hate. Religion is only a relationship between one man and his god. Nothing more. Religious beliefs are never - as in never - to be imposed upon anyone else. Only right wing extremists disagree. Must pack a Supreme Court with extremists who will even impose their religious beliefs upon all others. Sexobon says this is good. That brainwashing appeals to so many adults who are still children. Because he wants to wreck shit, he openly loves Trump. And does what Trump does to be popular - cheapshots. Destruction is good because it imposes right wing extremism on all others. It even says (without openly admitting it) that black lives do not matter. Sexobon invents fables about right vs left wing. In reality, it is only about extremists verse moderates. Only emotional beliefs matter (which explains his racist beliefs and Trump who promotes them). My rights, my emotions, my needs, my entitlements, my flag, my fears, my bully club, my country right or wrong. Extremist rhetoric also massacred 50,000 servicemen in Vietnam for no purpose. And did same to another 5,000 in Iraq - deja vue Vietnam. Extremists who promoted that Mission Accomplish war still do not apologize for those 5,000 useless deaths. They only will if Fake Fox News tells them to. It is called extremism. We need a Supreme Court that protects fascism. Me-Me-Me is his philosophy alongside Henry Quirk and UG. Even justifies above cheapshots that exist only to demean. An extremist strategy to gain power (as clearly defined in Hitler's book). Because it does what extremists want - destroy adult thinking. Demean anyone who discusses adult thoughts. Sexobon will even deny his underlying support of racism - contempt for blacks, immigrants, etc. He will deny his beliefs. Otherwise he must admit to what underpins right wing fascism. Emotional beliefs such as hate and Me-Me-Me. He is so extremist as to even believe immigrants have increased crime. Or that immigrants prosper at his expense. His right wing extremist attitude promoted a massacre of 5,000 American servicemen in Iraq for no purpose. He will not admit but believes Trayvon Martin can be blamed for his own death. Filling a Supreme Court with right wing extremists coincides with racism and fascism. All with contempt for moderates. Who would even promote spreading a pandemic. Confrontation and violence only makes fascist (KKK, White Supremacists, Nazis) more powerful. Those are Sexobon's peers. He will not read all this. It requires an attention span that extremists do not possess. Also why he loves Trump 'wrecks shit' rhetoric. Extremism only requires 140 characters - a Tweet. No wonder extremist hate it that Twitter now requires one to be honest. That, like moderate Supreme Court justices, obstructs fascism. |
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A peaceful demonstration was marching from Minneapolis to St Paul. When they got to the border, St Paul police attacked them. Apparently what happened at the Edmund Pettus bridge: an example of how history can repeat when one uses emotions and not adult thinking. I once took a three day trip with only cops. They would tell me stories. One was a cop who was clearly racist. They told me to watch. He would go into the cafeteria, only see blacks behind the counter, and walk out. He did that. Then watch. He would then decide he was too hungry. And would go back in. He did that too. His peers knew who he was - exactly. Other cops know who among them are extreme racists. But the system includes people who protect them. Reporting bad apples is not permitted. So many precinct commanders tried to remove bad apples. But those problems were returned. Decisions at highest levels refused to deal with this problem. So many cops demonstrated exactly who were racists. But the system says they cannot even report it. What happens when one racist is in a line of cops. Actions of that one racist ends up expanding into violence between all cops and all demonstrators. It only takes a spark. Chauvin clearly was a bad apple. With 18 previous complaints over 18 years. His partner, Tou Thao, had another six complaints. One was so egregious that the city had to settle out of court for $25,000. Thao even tried to intimidate hospital employees because they were spending too long treating Ferguson's injuries. Thao then trashed Ferguson's prescriptions for injuries that Thao had imposed. Another bad apple who watched as Chauvin murdered Floyd. Because Floyd spent a counterfeit $20 bill. How does one address this problem - that is widespread all over America? What we have: "In the final analysis, the riot is the language of the unheard. What is it that American has failed to hear?" Dr Martin Luther King Jr 1967 Sexobon will now post another cheapshot. |
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Don't feed the troll.
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Months before (early March), police busted into the apartment of an innocent person at 1 AM without even announcing themselves. Since they were not wearing body cameras, little from officer statements can be trusted. They claimed they announced themselves. Facts suggest they are lying. After firing a warning shot at the door, Kenneth Walker was on the phone for two minutes with 911, reporting his girl friend (an EMT) was shot, asking for help, and repeatedly saying he did not know who had busted into his house and fired back. Clearly the Louisville Metro Police did not identify themselves for at least two minutes. And fired into that room through a closed door - a violation. Why? Because a package, addressed to some other person, was delivered to that address. That justifies a violent raid? He was a black man. Worse, Walker was charged for two and a half months with a crime. Not any police were charged or even reprimanded. Walker was arrested and charged two months ago for defending himself. Officers should have been wearing body cameras. Did not announce themselves. Clearly did not let Walker know who they were for many minutes. Fired blindly through a closed door. Withheld the 911 tapes for about two months. And only withdrew charges after the FBI starting an investigation about ten days ago. Clearly nobody, even at the highest levels, was being responsible until the Federal Government had to step in. What does that say about the 'unheard'? Clearly the unheard are saying this remains rampant everywhere in America. Well the 'powers that be' finally withdrew charges only days after the FBI stepped in. Did they need a riot to eventually admit the obvious? Officers were not even reprimanded for obviously violating procedure. But too late for America. This is but one example. Police clearly failed to do their job. Reacted by violating what they are trained to do: think before reacting - as any adult must. Since Kenneth Walker is black, that only created more incentives for "the unheard". Problem openly encouraged by repeated Trump statements (who Sexobon praises). Since Trump encourages what right wing extremists want. So fearful are these extremists that Trump was taken to a secure bunker due to so many demonstrators outside complaining about Trump's racism. Never forget that he praised Nazis, White Supremacist, and KKK - because that makes him popular. Only right wing wackos like that - and Trump. |
Also, don't feed the other troll.
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Is there a rail station where trolls are only seen by each other?
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Less of a train, more like a trolley.
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Interesting piece on BBC News about misinformation about the protests spreading on social media:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52877751 |
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You're as gullible as tw; but, your replies are too short to be as entertaining. Thanks for trying anyway. |
Well this is what can happen when celebrities decide to make a social or political statement through symbolic actions. They may be experts in the field for which they hold celebrity status; but, they're amateurs at influencing others and don't consider the possible ramifications down the road. Kaepernick knew very well that others would emulate him and that he was fully responsible for providing instruction on how to take a knee safely, including precautions and warnings like: Check to see that somebody's neck isn't on the ground right where you want to kneel AND Don't take knee for more than 2 1/2 minutes just in case you didn't notice that somebody's neck was under it. Celebrities need to be held accountable when they recklessly wield their influence over others to the detriment of public welfare.
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Four more years of Ivanka for me. |
Go bag is packed then?
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Her name is Melania. He will trade her in, like a used car, for a new one. Sexobon apparently wants what Trump had. Amazing the things that a Trump lover wants. Sexobon even lies about his political beliefs. He supports right wing extremist Republicans. And admits it. Now suddenly he is not? Lying is how Nazis and Trump also gained power. |
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Social media is how the naive get deceived. Finally Twitter has decided that some Trump lies are so flagrant as to be noted. So Trump immediately threatened revenge. Since Trump needs social media lies to promote himself. |
There are some real dangers in assuming yourself immune or fully guarded against the pitfalls of basic human psychology.
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I've referenced his daughter, Ivanka, several times before. You're such a dingbat that you don't know the difference between the President's daughter and his wife! Are they treating you well there at the home? Keeping you safe from looters I hope. At least you don't have to worry about anyone stealing your marbles, they're already long gone. :lol2: |
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Just like Sexobon, he never once condemned violent police actions that murdered George Floyd and so many others. He associated massive numbers of peaceful demonstrators nationwide with but a few others who do violence. He threatened Governors with Federal marshal law if they did not do what he wanted - just like a dictator. He never once promoted a message of unity - only promoted dissension and confrontation. He held up a Bible to promote militaristic threats. How strange. He does not even attend church. Bishop of that church condemned his actions in front of her church. Actions that are consistent with what Sexobon also believes. To 'wreck shit'. Since Trump refuses to acknowledge this escalating standing problem, then Sexobon loves what this scumbag does. It promotes fascist beliefs. Trump even attacks peaceful demonstrators so that he could have a photo op in front of that church. In 2016 Colin Kaepernick took a knee highlighting constant harassment and violent deaths of innocent black men. What has happened since then? Things have gotten worse. With fascists blaming those black men. And blaming Kaepernick for reporting a truth. Sexobon cannot defend his hostile political beliefs based in 'wreck shit'. So he limits posts to belittling personal attacks. The president ordered Lafayette Park to be cleared of peaceful and law abiding demonstrators with an unprovoked tear gas attack. So that he could give a speech of violence and to have a photo op in front of a Church holding a bible. A reporter asked him if it was HIS bible. He replied, "It is a Bible." Of course. Religious symbols are a convenience so that the right wing religious will believe everything he lies about. How convenient. Lying and hate are tools to promote himself. Sexobon approves. Shooting unarmed black men, such as this, have been in Baltimore, Miami, Oklahoma City, Phoenix, Louisville, San Francisco, Las Vegas, NYC, Tulsa, Louisiana, Cleveland, Dallas, ... the list is hundreds in the past few years. In Miami, a black man asks the cop why he shot him. The cops says he does not even know. We know that many adults react emotionally like children. That emotion comes from judging one only on first impressions. Also called racism. A Rutgers study clearly demonstrate a problem that fascists and other hate groups refuse to admit. 96 per 100,000 black men are killed by police. Compared to 36 per 100,000 for white men. Black lives do matter. One would never know it from Sexobon's denigrating posts that contribute nothing. Or from Trump's speech that also denies reality and belittles others. |
A scumbag president repeatedly fires people who contradict his 30 second attention span. His people will (are only permitted) tell him only what he wants to hear. Another extremist, National security adviser Robert O'Brien, recites those lies:
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No problem. Sexobon, who endorses fascist extremism (to impose right wing extremism on everyone else), loves this. Quote:
Sexobon will now post another cheapshot. Because he has nothing informed to contribute. Because that is what extremist do (even Nazis did) to obtain power. Because adults, who are still children, admire a bully. Insults are how extremists (the enemy of democracy and moderates) gain power. Clearly that black man deserved what happened to him (extremist rhetoric). Trump says so. Sexobon says so. Even peaceful demonstrators at the White House must be attacked. Because they contradict Trump's 30 second attention span and overt racism. |
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Now that you're feeling better, I'm sure you realize that when I mentioned Trump's daughter Ivanka and you mistook her for Trump's wife Melania, it was a Freudian slip indicating that you've got the hots for Trump's wife. It's understandable that you would like to be close to, someone who is close to, the man who's list you want to get on. It likely stems from using your relationship with your mother to get your father's attention. These feelings you have for Melania may be awkward now; but, don't worry, you'll grow out of them and with maturity come to realize that she wouldn't have you on her list either. |
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Cheapshots are the nature of an extremist. |
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He condons hate, lies, and cheapshots that even endorse racism. Who is he? Could be Trump. Could be Sexobon. Not much difference. My best bud Sexobon does, unfortunately, endorse racism. His other buddy says same. |
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Now, you can't tell the difference between the President and a dwellar. You poor wrecked soul.* Quote:
* See what I did there. |
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We're just fortunate race isn't an issue in 'Merica so we can watch these two clowns.
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You didn't have anything better to do.
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