Women Are Not Equal
 

This is Dina Leygerman responding here.

She describes the many ways women are second class citizens then lists some women to thank.

I think you ladies should read the whole article.
You men who are just brushing this off, reading the article will make you feel superior, more macho and less pussy whipped. :haha:

As with any serious protest, in this case the women's march, there will be the very small minority with "pink va-jay-jay hat on your head and screaming profanities and bashing men." I'd guess less than 5% out of multi-millions, but they will get the attention of the media. That doesn't make the cause any less just.

The same with any protest marches, there will always be a tiny minority damaging property and getting all the attention.

So she doesn't think American women should progress until the rest of the word catches up? American women shouldn't lead by example?

Newbie here, but good grief what a polemic! You guys seem interesting at least. I've been checking out the Image of the Day for a while now and finally decided to officially sign up. Never been much good at lurking anyhow.

Welcome! We are an eclectic bunch and 'interesting' is one of the least of the things we are. We are so much more!

Make yourself comfortable, pull up a chair, Jim used to administer the quiz, but I think that has been waived.

shit. there's a pop quiz?

the dog ate it!

:p:

Polemic, a strong verbal or written attack on someone or something.
I'm confused by your statement... which ain't hard :o
Are you referring to one of the quoted articles or one of the posts, all, none of the above?

We're an opinionate bunch, and willing to "share" our opinions. But it's not personal, "attacks" aren't directed at the person (except in a few cases cough tw cough), but to make my point, and shout down the dumb bastard who doesn't agree with me. :haha:

Seriously though, stick around and jump it anytime you like, I'm sure you have things to contribute.

Classic, of course you are right to quote Brandi's opinion in full. There are, indeed, many countries where women are worse off, far worse off than they are in the States. But not one of those points negates what Dina Leygerman says.

I'm not buying that negation was the purpose of Brandi Atkinson's post.

It does attenuate the self aggrandizement of women vying for importance by associating themselves with pioneers of equality rather than sedulous hard work. In the quoted response, Dina Leygerman doesn't mention any men to be thankful to. Of course, she's a woman and men aren't the association of opportunity. It's almost as though Brandi Atkinson's post was meant to bring out the superficiality of some in the movement. That can be healthy for any grass roots effort.

There's no reason to trivialize the March or the Movement, which she totally does. The Women's March, which had nearly a whole world's participation, was about much more than just the women who participated. It keeps the discussion going about preserving womens rights as well as all basic human rights The womens March page explains it best.

And it is definitely a protest against Trump.

Until protests turn into votes, it's marginalized.

Marginalized by some, but it also communicates to others that their experiences and feelings, which have been suppressed by people saying, "that's normal", "that's life", and "that the way the world works", are valid.
It lets them know that millions of others feel the same way, they are not alone.

Rattling their sabers, preaching to the choir. They didn't convince one single person who didn't vote in the last Presidential election to go out and vote in consonance with their cause. Couldn't have been very important. :p:

(bet you had to think about that one)

You can't know that yet.

But the preaching to the choir was just the performance. The message to the rest is conveyed by the media, and social media, on both sides of the issue.
What about the 40% who didn't vote, would they if this issue was a referendum on the ballot? Is this "the" issue which would spur them in action?

No, those days are gone.

You cant predict the effect the march will have. So you don't know how it will effect the next election to come - midterms.

The indicators are that it will have a negligible effect.

You forget, as a long time, nonelected, government employee, his hopes for a better government, society, and world, have been beaten into stoicism by reality. Also he loves to play devils advocate.


I must admit I'm pretty pessimistic myself, but it won't stop me from cheering them on.

:shocking: NOT!

:cheerldr:

A quiz? Eeek! I'm terrible at quizzes and I suspect you guys could probably provide a very clever one to trip this poor old mule up. Besides, I've already figured out that 4 + 5 = 9 and that the seven letter name for the highest mountain in the world is "Everest" when I registered. Could that count for the quiz?

This is like a montessori school quiz, there are no wrong answers. ;)

The current quiz is in this thread: https://cellar.org/showthread.php?p=980833#post980833

You can answer the questions any way you want, it's primarily for fun. I just took it 'cause I recently changed my user title which makes me a born again Cellar dwellar. :D

You can take the quiz; but, you don't have to take it. It's up to you. :cool:

Oh my goodness! No, no - my reply was certainly not intended as some sort of personal attack. The word just came to mind when I read Brandi Atkinson's post that Classicman quoted.

I feel that Brandi Atkinson's words were rather over the top, and as a woman, I disagree with a number of the statements she made. I also found it interesting that she would be quoted by a man. I couldn't help but wonder if Classicman was using Atkinson to disagree with your thesis that "Women Are Not Equal."

Women are NOT equal. For example, Atkinson states that she has control over her own body. This may be true for her, but many women all over the world do NOT have control over their own bodies. Certain tribes in Africa still practice female circumcision, a horribly painful and degrading mutilation of a women's body done to young girls who have no say in the matter. Many low income women in a growing number of states in the US are being denied access to Planned Parenthood and other medical facilities where they could obtain information and be provided with appropriate birth control methods. The same is true of access to safe abortions - even early term ones - in the case of unwanted pregnancies. I believe it is the state of Texas that has come up with a rule that fetal matter from miscarriages and abortions should be buried as if they were babies who had died soon after a normal 9 month pregnancy. Good grief! What's next? Will women be required to bury tampons in a series of separate little graves each month? The state of Indiana has also mandated the burial or cremation of embryonic cells from early abortions and miscarriages.

I majored in biology in college and one of my required classes was Embryology. We were all required to chloroform live mice in various stages of pregnancy in a bell jar and make microscopic slides of the fetal matter once we had dissected mama mouse. I saw with my own eyes that a mouse zygote is NOT a complete replica of a cute tiny mouse, but rather an interesting assortment of cells with a shape peculiar to the early stages of embryonic development. A human zygote or embryo at 8 weeks or so is not much different. So, not only do women not have complete control over their own bodies, a woman in Texas or Indiana doesn't even have a say over a few hundred cells her body may happen to produce. Craziness!

Thus, my use of the word "polemic" the definition of which is explained in some detail by Wikipedia:


~snip~ A polemic (/pəˈlɛmɪk/) is contentious rhetoric that is intended to support a specific position. Polemics are mostly seen in arguments about controversial topics. The practice of such argumentation is called polemics.

Polemics often concern issues in religion or politics. A polemic style of writing was common in Ancient Greece, as in the writings of the historian Polybius. Polemic again became common in medieval and early modern times. Since then, famous polemicists have included the satirist Jonathan Swift, the socialist philosopher Karl Marx, the novelist George Orwell and the linguist Noam Chomsky. ~snip~

If I inadvertently attacked Classicman with a Marxist writing style, I most humbly apologize.

Did I pass the quiz?

We don't do the Kobayashi Maru.

No no, I didn't think you were attacking anyone, by using polemic I thought you deduced we were attacking each other. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I think the rest of my post is safe.

That wasn't the quiz, as sexobon pointed out in the post before yours. :D

It is the same price.[/RonWhite]

Some are more equal than others.

Wasn't intended to, but thanks.

Yeh, like 7-8 YEARS ago.

That was my username.

My user title recently changed here (it was déjà vu).

Stop with your damn facts and proof and links and all that.

quoted by classicman:

I control my body.

I call shenanigans on that single line. If women in the US really, honestly, truly had control of our bodies, my ovaries would've been gone by the time I turned 22. Instead, due to serious side effects of pesticide exposure they have not worked properly without chemical intervention EVER and I've been forced to keep those damn little cancer bombs since they fired up and refused to do their job properly in, lemme think...spring of 1984. As it is, I'm in early menopause and only have to wait another 19 years (or until I get cancer) to have the bitches removed the way I've been wishing for since I was 14 years old.

My best friend fought and fought and fought just to get her tubes tied. This woman, at that time, was borderline-morbid obese, 80% deaf in one ear, 60% deaf in the other, legally blind with her contacts in, had been repeatedly told she should NEVER get pregnant because her CLASS FOUR HEART MURMUR wouldn't let her live past her second trimester, and 110% hated being around babies and little kids. She was also in her late 20s by then, so not exactly 'high school bullsh*t' on this one.

And as the surgeon was washing up in the prep room while I held her hand until the sedation kicked in, he looked disdainfully at us and, in just about the most condescending, contemptuous tone I have ever heard from anyone, says to her:
"Well. I guess I really can't talk you out of this."

As she started crying, I smiled back at him and snarled "NO SIR YOU CAN NOT." Without me there, he might very well have refused the surgery her MD and her gynecologist had both strongly advocated that she have immediately!