Andrew Wakefield found to have faked research on vaccines/autism. Murder?
 

You know those annoying crazes and hysterias populations go through? Like the measles vaccination/autism scare? Well, it turns out that the World's Biggest Scumbag, Andrew Wakefield, has basically brought measles back from the realm of depression-baby scare stories, single-handedly, for a little personal fame.


The results of "Doctor" Wakefield's precious little shennanigans?

Hahaha stupid fucking humans.

So, anyway, I'd like to suggest that the British government haul Wakefield up on two counts of murder, 1290 cases of attempted murder, and one case of being a gigantic douchebag.

Am I out of line, here? I mean, his malicious acts led to two deaths and 1290 additional life-threatening situations, right? And this wasn't a MISTAKE in research, it was outright fraud.

EDIT: Forgot to add the link:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/lif...cle5683671.ece

Doesn't sound like he had any good intentions.:(

Definate douchebag.

Murderer?

Inject him with the measles.

Oh, something tells me HE'S had the vaccination. You know, before his horrific "discoveries".

I'll take "Kick him in the cunt" for $500.

I have friends who have bought into this wholesale.

There are people on this board who are anti-immunisation, MMR scare or not.

And I have heard many, many mothers on TV, in radio interviews and in person who swear blind that their children changed completely, the day after receiving the injection. And who claim that the Government pushing the GPs to use MMR as opposed to separate injections was along the lines of the Nazis experimenting with concentration camp prisoners.

He didn't really need to push people very hard.

Yep.

Saddam has WMDs. Nothing has changed. One can think logical or one can entertain emotions. Childhood leukemia created by electric wires? Same people easily deceived by Rush Limbaugh also believed that leukemia myth. It’s not hard to think logically. And yet so many so hate their computer as to plug it into a surge protector. So many automatically believe myths rather than first asking 'why'.

:unsure:

2 deaths from measels?

how many less from SIDS?

I'm going to start calling you "the six degrees of WMDs."

No subject - no, make that no subject is more than six degrees from WMDs.

Not saying you are wrong, mind you, just saying.

Why? do I keep reading them.

Do you have a peer-reviewed study showing a link between MMR vaccinations and SIDS?

nope.

FUD. That's all he has.

I'm sure there's a point in there somewhere. I just appear to be too dense to appreciate it.

Enlighten me?

Whenever a discussion is about people who don't think logically - who want to be scammed - then no better example is 'Saddam had WMDs'. The ideal example of people who just *know* despite facts.

An MMR myth could not happen to anyone who learned from the 'Saddam had WMD' lie. A lie always cited when people believe their emotions rather than reality. No better example of how many will deny facts to entertain emotional bias.

I will take full responsibility for any of the myths I choose to beleve in.

bites tongue - move along

Like the American Government blew up the Twin Towers?

There was an article on the news last night about a town just north of Brisbane where I live which has a less than 66% immunisation rate and is soon to be considered dangerous for tourists (which is where the town makes its money from) because there's likely to be outbreaks of measles and whooping cough, both of which are making a comeback thanks to generally lower levels of immunisation in the community.

This is a dangerous game people are playing with their childrens lives.

ETA: Damn liberal pinko hippies!

Yeah, you're right in the middle of cuckoo-land. Your region is sending out emissaries to bamboozle the masses with this hogwash.

If you would quit watching their movies and TV shows and buying their albums, these wackjobs wouldn't have quite such a far reach.

Do it, do it for the children. Quit sending your entertainment dollars to LA. Send them directly to me instead, and I promise to entertain you.

I wonder if the people who choose not to immunise their children realise how much infant mortality has decreased since immunisation became mainstream.

Sorry, but this issue really bothers me because if diseases like measles and whooping cough, not to mention polio and hepatitis become 'ordinary' illnesses again, where does that leave the babies who are only just begining their immunisation schedule? The very young and the very old are always most susceptible to these diseases and if they're more prevalent in society, then who is going to start popping off because of them?

If you choose not to immunise your child, you're not only being irresponsible as a parent, you're being socially irresponsible also.

Flame away.

A friend of mine's baby got whooping cough a week before the scheduled immunization was to occur. She spent over a week in the hospital on a feeding tube. It is serious shit.

What she said. If it is such a bad thing I think we need to stop trying to immunize all those Africans./sarc

From The Spectator

Vaccines and Autism: The Unending Story (Newsweek)

link

The director of the CDC hasn't been able to review the relevant case files (ie. Hannah Poling)... she must be busy with more important stuff... but still admits that vaccines can cause 'autism-like symptoms'

Yes, but only insofar as the vaccine gave them an illness, and they were genetically predisposed to develop this life-altering condition in response to an illness somewhere along the line.

My friend's daughter has Type 1 diabetes. Genetically, she was a ticking time bomb. It was pretty much a guarantee that she was going to get it at some point. It happened that when she was four, she got hand-foot-and-mouth disease, a pretty typical disease as far as kids go, and it triggered the shutdown of her pancreas. But it's entirely possible that a vaccine when she was younger could have triggered it too. Would the vaccine have "caused" her diabetes in that case?

I don't know Clod.
I would think it ethical for the CDC/FDA to know the answer to that before mandating vaccines though...

Mandating vaccines stopped epidemics that caused far more serious loss of life, disabilities, etc.

You want to stack up these alleged "vaccine victims" with, say, the number of people paralyzed with Polio since we started recording cases?

Or the number of people that died of smallpox vs the number of people who died from the vaccine (nobody denies the occasional fatality from the vaccine in that case)?

Wow, we went right from screaming MURDERER!! about a researcher who wanted some safety studies done on shit they want to inject into healthy children - to well yeah, they can fuck people up but still....

You don't think no longer shitting where we drink, throwing sewage and garbage into the streets, drinking from the same cup hanging off the water bucket, not bathing ever much less washing the hands, doctors not washing their hands... none of these things made a difference? It was all the vaccines? Antibiotics knocking out secondary infections... nothing?

The polio vaccine being successful means it's all good eh? Whatever comes down the pike is just awesome because no one ends up in an iron lung anymore. 36 injections before age 2 and more in the works because if a little is good, more is better right? Besides, the government would never let anything hurt us.

It amazes me though, the different reactions to "vaccines might cause harm to some people" vs. "you might get the flu".

Because only sick kids get polio or measles.

Or words to that effect.

Do you understand the differences in prevention and treatment between bacterial and viral infections?

But there's a difference between doing safety studies even if they're unpopular, and faking the results of those studies.

A journalist said he faked the results of his study (not a safety study) - none of the other co-authors have said he did or it wouldn't have taken a journalist and 11 years to raise the alarm.... I'll wait for more info before jumping on the MURDER!! bandwagon myself.

Thx for representin' teh cuckoo bandwagon, tho. We can't have our fist-shaking threads too insular.

jinx . . . I just called you a cuckoo

I know and I'm planning to kill myself in a few minutes because I am so hurt by your callousness. I hope you're happy now.

Right after you kill yourself, do you mind if I have sex with your body while it's still warm?

No but you can hump my leg.

I think we have a deal.

My GOD you are sooo insensitve.

You insensitive bastard! I lost my still warm body on 9/11.

Yea, well I lost my Virginity on 9/11 and I still never got it back. MIA!

I'm SO glad Flint is 1500 miles away from my house.

Don't say that, dude. We would totally party.

i know.....i was just playing the straight man for your little joke about fucking my wife's dead body.


BOY....it sounds a LOT worse when I say it

Should we expect people to have some kind of negative reaction to what I said?

Don't count on it.

Actually, I think you've laid the groundwork well enough that you can pretty much get away with saying pretty much anything, and people won't think any less of you.

Then the time has come. For me to stand up in the middle of a church and say "GOD IS A NIGGER FAGGOT!"

Only if you do it at the end of a song, and give a resounding "ba-dum-CHSSSSSH" on your kit after you say it.

I'm gonna swing a boom arm over, and, during the middle of a song, insert that statement in the form of soulful gospel-style background lyrics.

Do you think I could pass it off--have people assume they misheard me during the general noise of the whole band playing? Would they confront me?

If we are your only audience you have little to worry about.