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Kagen4o4 08-16-2005 01:33 AM

Pure Mathematics
 
is anyone else interested in it? Hurwitz integers? Gaussian integers? Fermat? factorising prime numbers? 4 dimensional cubes? Pascal? phi?

im studying them in my 4th year of university and id really like to have a conversation with someone about these things, theyre awesome.

wolf 08-16-2005 01:50 AM

I think I heard of Pascal.

That was a programming language when I was in college. ;)

It was a while back ... slightly before the birth of C. (not + or ++, mind you)

I have a high degree of math anxiety, but there is probably someone sufficiently nerdy to participate in a conversation of such things.

I specialize in witty commentary.

And screwing with people's delicate psyches.

I do have some knowledge of impure mathematics, however.

SteveDallas 08-16-2005 03:21 AM

I used to.. took a second major in math in college. I ignored all those nasty applications in favor of abstract algebra, real analysis, number theory, etc.

Now I'd be completely lost at anything more than simple algebra, though I like to think I could relearn it all if I applied myself. (I expect those who were athletes in their youth feel the same way about being out of shape.)

Kagen4o4 08-16-2005 03:45 AM

number theory and algebra are pretty much what im doing atm. although im also doing a subject that goes through all the cool little things that maths can be applied to with shapes, magic etc

Clodfobble 08-16-2005 08:28 AM

I dated a math major once in college. Boy THAT was an experience. He kept trying to explain his topology class to me, thinking it was one of the more "accessible" topics. :rolleyes:

Later, he would throw that very textbook at me in anger, but that's a different story...

The farthest I ever got in my own studies were the theories of infinity, aleph-naught and such.

dar512 08-16-2005 09:16 AM

Calculus II and Differential Equations. I don't remember any of it.

Perry Winkle 08-16-2005 09:57 AM

I hate math...I'm pretty decent at everything I've taken but I don't willingly participate in extra-curricular mathiness.

Which Phi are we talking about? I assume we aren't talking about the 21st letter of the Greek alphabet.

richlevy 08-16-2005 07:47 PM

I don't know why it stuck with me, but I still remember the concept of imaginary numbers.

Given that a square root of number is two equal numbers that when multiplied result in that number, and that a negative times a negative is a positive then -

-4 and +4 are both the square root of 16.

4i is the square root of -16. Since a negative number cannot really have a square root, but since it might occur in a formula, the square root of a negative number is an imaginary number (which is why it is marked 'i'). It can't exist but it has to be able to exist. It's sort of like mathematical antimatter.

If you consider that negative numbers themselves are a little fictitious (try fitting negative four apples into a bag), than imaginary numbers are just the result of extending the unrealistic into the absurd.

tw 08-16-2005 08:03 PM

Imaginary numbers are routinely used in things I must understand. There exist so many other 'variations' of mathematics that involve symbols I am not confortable with and concepts that I have difficulty with (such as manifolds, fields, and topology). For me, it helps to have some real world examples since when reading pure math, I don't always read what they had intended. Without those examples, I cannot 'benchmark' myself against what I was suppose to learn. Without those examples, then these mathematical concepts assume I already understand the principles; therefore they lose me in the underlying concepts.

One form of mathematics I wish I better understood is Galois fields. But then that type of math was not even listed. Gauss accomplished so much that I am not sure which is and is not Gaussian mathematics.

Kagen4o4 08-16-2005 08:49 PM

real numbers could be seen as almost a subset of imaginary numbers. the "i" part can just be seen as a rotation of 90 degrees off the real axis. and then youve got 3D imaginary numbers with i,j, and k called Quaternions, but if you include real numbers in that then you have 4D. just try and picture in your head a 4D cube. its impossible to picture but the mathematics makes it possible. then go even higher

Elspode 08-16-2005 11:03 PM

I enjoy pressing the buttons on calculators. If they have pretty lights, so much the better. Compasses are also sort of fun. When I was much younger, I enjoyed pretending that a slide rule was an expandable spacecraft.

That about covers my math abilities and affinities.

Hemlock 08-16-2005 11:18 PM

e^i pi + 1 = 0

BigV 08-17-2005 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tw
Imaginary numbers are routinely used in things I must understand. There exist so many other 'variations' of mathematics that involve symbols I am not confortable with and concepts that I have difficulty with (such as --snip--

imaginary numbers?

Like, um, Social Security? Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price? EPA gas mileage estimates? Eight hours of sleep? "Big Ten Inch" (Ok, Aerosmith gets a pass :wink: )

Yeah, I don't really understand them either.

wolf 08-17-2005 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tw
Imaginary numbers are routinely used in things I must understand.

That explains a lot.

dar512 08-17-2005 12:48 AM

That was a cheap shot, Wolf

-- but it didn't stop me from laughing.

wolf 08-17-2005 01:18 AM

TW knows that I actually respect him, even if I either don't understand a damn thing he's saying, or outright disagree with him.

Trilby 08-17-2005 09:24 AM

The only way I was able to understand math was as a language. I am language-based. I like words. I had to drop calculus in high school because I was so stupid and lazy and when I was forced to take chemistry in college I just sat there, stunned, while the prof. commenced with what I felt was pure magic. All I did was look to the person sitting directly across from me and say, "What, now?" and, "I don't get it." I think I made that prof. weep. It was a surreal experience and I fervently wish to never repeat it.

Kagen4o4 08-17-2005 11:29 PM

maths is the universal language (literally)
everything uses maths and without it, we wouldnt exist

wolf 08-18-2005 12:08 AM

Please do not post any proof demonstrating this.

I have something I'm looking forward to doing this weekend.

(I'd post something on the order of "and then went on to prove black is white and got killed at the next Zebra Crossing," but it's already been a topic of discussion in another thread fairly recently ...)

Kagen4o4 08-18-2005 06:06 AM

i was just thinking about the equation of reproduction thinking 1+1=3 but then i realised its 1+1+1/2+1/2=3 so thats all good

my 2 favourite maths tricks are multiplying something by 1 ( ie. 1/1, 4/4, or even something more complicated like [log(43x+y^k)]/[log(43x+y^k)] etc) or adding a number then subtracting it so the equation is still the same but in a completely different more useful format.

superbaton 08-18-2005 06:27 AM

:bonk:

Trilby 08-18-2005 11:20 AM

:wstupid:

superbaton 08-18-2005 06:56 PM

:thankyou:

Kagen4o4 08-18-2005 07:29 PM

thats true but if you get it....my god its good

Pixie 08-27-2005 05:03 PM

New here. Found this site through a surfing session and had to reply to this one. I hold a B.S. in Mathematics (Yes at times I too have called it a Bull Shiznit degree so don't go there with that one)

Kagen4o4, you are not alone. I too am interested in these things. I'm glad you can embrace your inner geek. Math jokes are so much more fun when you can actually understand them. And for those of you that don't, sometimes you can still spend some time contemplating them. I know my husband likes to concentrate real hard to figure out this one....
math

Kagen4o4 08-27-2005 10:26 PM

welcome pixie.

coolish maths stuff.
look up "escher" in google and check out his paintings.
look up the golden ratio and see how many things its connected to.

tw 08-28-2005 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf
TW knows that I actually respect him, even if I either don't understand a damn thing he's saying, or outright disagree with him.

I have been rereading this post for a week now. When a mental health professional does not understand you, what does that say?

Some would worry. I am amused. As Bugs Bunny said, "What? Me worry?"

When UG starts singing, "Kill the wabbit" ..... we all know how it ends. Still, even Bugs Bunny never had to deal with a Big Bad Wolf.

BigV 08-28-2005 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tw
---snip
Some would worry. I am amused. As Bugs Bunny said, "What? Me worry?"

When UG starts singing, "Kill the wabbit" ..... we all know how it ends. Still, even Bugs Bunny never had to deal with a Big Bad Wolf.

"What? Me, Worry?" == Alfred E. Newman

"What's up, Doc? == Bugs Bunny

"Kill the wabbit!" == Elmer Fudd

Big Bad Wolf == Little Red Riding Hood

You should stick to math. :wink:

Kagen4o4 08-28-2005 04:47 AM

well put.

tw 08-28-2005 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigV
You should stick to math. :wink:

As Barbie once said, "Fiction is hard."

Or maybe I have that wrong too.

Clodfobble 08-28-2005 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tw
As Barbie once said, "Fiction is hard."

Or maybe I have that wrong too.

That is hands-down my favorite post you have ever made. :lol:

Kagen4o4 08-28-2005 07:03 PM

"thinking gives you wrinkles"
should be posted in the simpsons quote section i know but what are ya gonna do aye?


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