Dov, you have absolutely no right to sneer, no matter how vociferously you claim it: it's invalid. Also, it would be masochistic of you to try, for the harder you do, the more I chainsaw and sandbag you for leftwing lunacy: totalitarianism and supporting totalitarianism are things of the Left, after all. I can last longer than you can -- we're of an age, but I think better than you do and am permanently ready to prove it, at least to the objective observer.

It's inaccurate to speak of my being "a fan of anarchy". I am untroubled by the instability that is occurring as Iraq transitions from socialist oligarchy to greater democracy, and since Afghanistan's condition with or without outsiders taking an interest is but slightly removed from anarchy anyway, I'd hardly call their condition deteriorated from when the Taliban were fucking the place up -- and, I think, allowing opium/heroin trafficking. Afghanis are always going to be ornery; their geography very much encourages that, along with their linguistic situation, et cetera at some length.

The reason I'm untroubled is that shifts from an old order to a new one are always at least somewhat iffy, and the blasts of car bombs remain largely in one part of the country, and not the other two ethnic areas. They've been killing people for two and a half years now, and are they any closer to carrying the day with Iraqis? No. The Iraqi population is hitching its wagon to a different horse, that of representative democracy. The insurgents have absolutely nothing to offer but banditry now, and a future prospect of banditry institutionalized should, Allah forfend, they ever get back in power by ANY means.

Getting OBL is not the same as getting Al-Qaeda, which is what really has to happen to win. Al-Qaeda has to be deprived of the "sea of the people" that the guerrillas swim in. Capturing OBL would be more of a cherry on top rather than something essential to mopping AQ up, and would happen after AQ gets repudiated by their fans in Waziristan and the tribal territories in northwestern Pakistan.

Such WMD as survive are probably in Syria, whose Ba'athist government is keeping its head well down, doubtless grateful that Iran's nuclear endeavors are getting all the attention. There does seem to be evidence that WMD went to Syria -- you'll recall the aborted twinned-agent Sarin attack attempted on Amman, Jordan. The Jordanians got these guys, who had trucked about twenty tons of the stuff out of Syria. I've never heard that Syria was a twinned-agent Sarin producer. Even had the attack succeeded, what benefit could the fanatics have realized? I think it would be thoroughly negative, as the entire Islamic world would have been appalled at such an internecine attack. Our self-made, self-declared enemies (and they are your enemies too, if you're really any description of Jew) are a real bouquet of assholes. I don't see any validity in opposing efforts to wipe 'em slick.

The Taliban actually destroyed a vast majority of Opium poppy crops. It's only since the 'invasion' that things have 'gotten back to normal' over there as far as poppy seeds go.

Is this good or bad? Much of Afghanistans economy is fueled by opium exports derived from either legal or non-legal sources/purposes. (undoubtedly, most people here realize Morphine and all it's derivitives are a product of opium)

To the poor farmer trying to make a buck, I'll bet he's happy the US came and got rid of the Taliban. To the parent who's child dies of a heroin overdose...I'm not so sure.

:p

You win,UG,I have had my fill with this thread, time to play elsewhere.

Btw, you don't know shit about who my enemies are, and I have played your game more than once too many times. Good thing its not vinyl or tape but lazar disk they use to program you, because your rhetoric would have dulled out years ago.

Not bad 100 plus posts my first thread.

Darling you do not have to highjack this thread, I am giving it to you, une cadeaux. Treat it well and I hope it will be as good to you as it was for me.

Ta Ta

Ahhh...no highjacking intended. ;) Just thought I'd correct a minor error.

I'm still figuring out how a thread about Canada now being the proud owners of a Conservative government turned into another discussion about the rights and wrongs of Iraq and co.

The Cellar Raises Thread Piracy to High Art.

Somebody remind me to post that in the taglines thread, 'kay?

I think I should get myself a tagline. There are some good ones here. You're all so....hmmmm...what's the word? Glib? :) I'm not sure if I can come up with anything good enough. :(

Don't sweat it. It takes years of honing.

But I don't have time for years of honing! I want a glib tag line now!!!

Brain pick? You know, dov could turn a strangers friendly smile, RE: :) into an insult. VOILA! The magic of the French, non?

Now, i'm going away. I don't want to have to be taunted a second time! ;)

Now you've got it, don't argue with idiots. You'll do well. :thumb:

dov, not because I doubt your smarts, but because you're new here, I offer a couple of translations, no charge. Welcome aboard.

You have no rights. *I'm* the sherriff in this here town, I'll tell you what rights you have. *I'll* tell you what you can think and what you can't.

Until then, just shut up.

Oh, and I'm smarter than you. (dov, no need to remember this one, it features in every other post)

Bot.

That's three votes now.

Hey IG, here's a hint: you can't smell through the internet (thank goodness.) Open a window.

Hello, Pot, my name is Kettle!

You have no rights. *I'm* the sherriff in this here town, I'll tell you what rights you have. *I'll* tell you what you can think and what you can't.

Beat you to it. We know, IG, we know already.

because it's all I understand, although I sometimes pronounce it "liberation".
and on and on and on, ad nauseum. [/public service announcement]

edit: fixed tyop

Brianna your just too dam tauntable.

Hi xo and v, ty, see you around, elsewhere.

This thread has been good to me and I am respecting it by not milking it dry. It gave me what I hoped it would, I got to know a few posters and them me.

byeeeeee

dov:

Your thread title: We lost.

[hijack]Perhaps "you'll" win this one. Are you rooting for your ex-pat?[/hijack]

It is an honour, V, but we really do not care. There was no season last year, re strike and lock out, but now, it is Hockey Night in Canada.