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Lamplighter 12-09-2010 09:52 AM

UT, and your point is ?
Sorry, I realize that's being a bit sarcastic.
But quotes are from the article, and I feel they are needed for understanding of the situation.

What Wikileaks exposed is the the US diplomatic pressure on Germany being accomplices
to the actions of the CIA's actions of rendition and torture.

Lamplighter 12-09-2010 09:57 AM

Fair and balanced in America

The link also provides a video of the TV segment.

Huffington Post
Dec 9, 2010

A Democratic Fox News analyst called for the assassination
of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.


Quote:

Speaking on the Fox Business show "Follow The Money" on Monday,
Bob Beckel excoriated Assange for leaking the State Department cables
that have roiled the world in the past week,
and said that American special forces should kill him.

"A dead man can't leak stuff," Beckel said.
"This guy's a traitor, he's treasonous, and he has broken every law of the United States.
And I'm not for the death penalty, so...
there's only one way to do it: illegally shoot the son of a bitch.
"
Quote:

The other guests on the program all agreed with Beckel.

Flint 12-09-2010 10:24 AM

Quote:

Traditionally news organizations are usually protected, Wikileaks is not one of those.
What defines a news organization? More to the point, once the precedent of howWikileaks (whatever they are) is handled in this situation, how can that be made to NOT apply to news organizations? What is the clear, legal separation?

What about unaffiliated individuals who may see information on the internet and post a link to it somewhere else (such as this message board)? Are we protected from prosecution? Is Undertoad?

This is genuine curiosity on my part--I'm not asking because I think I already know the answer.

Lamplighter 12-09-2010 10:56 AM

Flint, I think the old definitions of "news organization" is extinct.

But it is just because of your remark/question about liability, and copyrights,
when I re-post some item that I try to take real care with links, citations, and quote-boxes for the copied text.

My understanding is that copyright infringements are avoided if there is a good faith effort
to provide the citation AND the copied material is not the entire document.
That way, the reader has reason and means to go back to the original.

Griff 12-09-2010 12:12 PM

Treason? Beckel must be using a different dictionary than everybody else.

TheMercenary 12-09-2010 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 699108)
What defines a news organization? More to the point, once the precedent of howWikileaks (whatever they are) is handled in this situation, how can that be made to NOT apply to news organizations? What is the clear, legal separation?

What about unaffiliated individuals who may see information on the internet and post a link to it somewhere else (such as this message board)? Are we protected from prosecution? Is Undertoad?

This is genuine curiosity on my part--I'm not asking because I think I already know the answer.

I guess my take would be based on "intent". What is Wikileaks intent on publishing the data, and what is a news organizations intent on publishing the data. I don't ever recall that the NYT or any other news organization stated their intent was to go after governments and try to bring them down. Assange has declared himself to be the judge of what is right and wrong. He is nothing more than an internet terrorist and should be treated as such.

Stormieweather 12-10-2010 10:38 AM

Editorial on those "real" journalists:

The willingness of leading media outlets to amplify clear falsehoods highlights their true allegiances

W.HI.P 12-10-2010 12:31 PM

I can't even read your comments.
Is brainwashing that effective?
Take a fucking step out of your little shells, and take a look at the bigger picture.

Flint 12-10-2010 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W.HI.P (Post 699395)
I can't even read your comments.
Is brainwashing that effective?
Take a fucking step out of your little shells, and take a look at the bigger picture.


Since we're all not smart enough to see the one true objective reality that is clear to you, perhaps a small dose of explaining what the ƒuck you are even talking about could go to great lengths?

W.HI.P 12-10-2010 12:57 PM

I'm not referring to all comments here.
I saw a wikileaks thread here, so i got all excited, entered, to find comments against wikileaks, and against Assange.
What more is needed to be said on my behalf?
I'm not going to enter a debate about this.
No argument can be made against Assange and what he's doing.
I see the word Treason?
How retarded does someone have to be to use that word in this discussion?
So yeah, i'm not planning on having a debate with the mentally handicapped.

Bullitt 12-10-2010 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W.HI.P (Post 699403)
I'm not referring to all comments here.
I saw a wikileaks thread here, so i got all excited, entered, to find comments against wikileaks, and against Assange.
What more is needed to be said on my behalf?
I'm not going to enter a debate about this.
No argument can be made against Assange and what he's doing.
I see the word Treason?
How retarded does someone have to be to use that word in this discussion?
So yeah, i'm not planning on having a debate with the mentally handicapped.

Woah other people have different opinions than you!? Get the fuck outta town.

If you're done uselessly crying and calling people "retards" instead of contributing, feel free to step in with some rational points that can be debated. Otherwise go cry somewhere else.

W.HI.P 12-10-2010 01:13 PM

If this discussion revolves around treason, then no, as i said, I'm not interested in having a debate with the mentally handicapped.
Why don't we put American people an trial for treason against Iraq or Afghanistan.
We can't? I wonder why.....

Bullitt 12-10-2010 01:19 PM

There already is a guy on trial for treason.... you know that member of the military who broke his oath and the law by stealing and giving away classified documents. Derp.

W.HI.P 12-10-2010 01:27 PM

Yeah, he's not Assange.
Tell me this... why are a percentage of American's concentrating on Wikileaks for leaking the truths about their Government and foreign policies, rather than studying the content of the leaks which expose the actions of their government and foreign policies?

These studies would result loss of Ego, loss of Patriotism, and possible revolution.
How is Assange the bad guy in this equation?

Happy Monkey 12-10-2010 01:29 PM

As far as I could tell in this thread only the Fox News moron quoted in post 121 called him a traitor. All the other references were to his source.


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