The Cellar - Al Franken...is this for real?

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- Politics (http://cellar.org/forumdisplay.php?f=5)

- - Al Franken...is this for real? (http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=15324)

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 521179)

That's your opinion; but nevertheless, in the petty back-n-forth there is a line that you shouldn't cross, which you have crossed.

All I did is follow TheMercenary's lead. And I have no problem with doing it and doing it again. I responded after watching personal attacks on other posters AND Brianna complaining about TheMercenary using the word 'constant'. Where is you scolding of TheMercenary? You too remain silent - only scold the symptom? UT, you stay silent about the problem and the symptoms start again. That would be unavoidable because it would be necessary. I crossed no line that the problem had not already crossed and did so "constant". Did I finally get your attention? Will you finally address the problem? Address the problem and symptoms go away.

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 521174)

So why did both continue to try posting by other means and get stopped again? That was not banning? Of course they were banned. Exactly the point. You stayed silent - encouraged - the childish nonsense started and routinely posted by TheMercenary. Meanwhile I replied with posts that also included supporting fact why AND no insults. (Wacko extremisms is a term just like moderate is a term.) Now that TheMercenary has accelerated his personal attack in numbers and intensity, I have again replied in kind – as anyone would be expected to after so long.

If you ban me, then an honest (logical) Bruce must also ban TheMercenary, UG, and classicman. I have simply caused you to stop ignoring your duties as a Cellar dwellar - to maintain the integrity and tone I have seen for 20 years - due to peer pressure. (Also obvious should be that I am not calling for banning - a challenge for you to see what is posted rather than apply assumptions into conclusions.)

So you still do nothing - pretend these is no problem. Where is that post threaening TheMercenary. Oh. You repeatedly attack the symptoms - not the problem. Then what I stated yesterday and accruately about his wife was necessary and unavoidable. Others also defined the problem. Add Griff to the list. Instead you ignore the facts; choose to attack the messenger who finally got your attention. Instead you attack what makes you feel rather than deal with the problem. Where is one post from you to TheMercenary to stop it? You remain both silent and in denial. You encourage him to attack piercehawkeye45, radar, and others.

TheMercenary is the reason long before I had no choice but the reply vicously and with irratation. I responded long after merc routinely posted kindergarten attacks. Yes, assume that sentence is bluntly addressing your denials and misguided response. Shame on 'Bruce the Almighty' for encouraging what then had to happen. Or go away so TheMercenary can continue to destroy the tone and attitude once found in the Cellar for 20 years.

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 521182)

Thomas, don't take me for a fool. I know what you did. You know what you did. Everybody in the god damn forum knows what you did. To sit there and defend it is weak, weak cheese, and insulting to everybody involved.

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 521188)

To sit there and defend it is weak, weak cheese, and insulting to everybody involved.

You are now calling me a liar. Shame on you for calling me a liar AND for still ignoring the problem - TheMercenary. I told you my intent (which is exactly same when the same problem existed previously). If you have a problem with that, then you are letting your anger (which I intentionally provoked to get you off your ass) make decisions for you. I intentionally posted (in part) to anger you so that you would address the problem. Instead of responding logically, you attacked the victim? That pretty low.

Get your attetion? Good. Here is what you are calling a lie. You are scolding the symptoms and condoning the problem with your silence. Show me the lie in that? Instead, I am encouraging you to stop letting TheMercenary make you into a fool. What I did was necessary - as it was necessary when I did the same thing previously. What I posted was only equivalent to what TheMercenary has been posting now for months. I have no reason to apologize for addressing the increasingly unfavorable Cellar tone. And you have no logical reason to attack the symptoms while encouraging the problem. I finally got your attention. Now solve that problem.

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 521174)

So why did both continue to try posting by other means and get stopped again? That was not banning? Of course they were banned.

April had problems posting while moving from CA to AZ to CA to Hong Kong, but that was not our doing. Neither were banned.

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Exactly the point. You stayed silent - encouraged - the childish nonsense started and routinely posted by TheMercenary. Meanwhile I replied with posts that also included supporting fact why AND no insults. (Wacko extremisms is a term just like moderate is a term.) Now that TheMercenary has accelerated his personal attack in numbers and intensity, I have again replied in kind – as anyone would be expected to after so long.

You forgot the LOL smilie, because you can't be serious. If didn't stay silent, half your rants would be deleted. You've insulted everyone that has had the unmitigated gall to question your opinions, since I've been on this board. Your evading questions, and introducing oh-look-a-birdie tangents, is a staple around here. That makes your present attempt for the moral highground the source of great amusement for the rest of us.

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If you ban me, then an honest (logical) Bruce must also ban TheMercenary, UG, and classicman. I have simply caused you to stop ignoring your duties as a Cellar dwellar - to maintain the integrity and tone I have seen for 20 years - due to peer pressure. (Also obvious should be that I am not calling for banning - a challenge for you to see what is posted rather than apply assumptions into conclusions.)

Guess what? I do see through what is posted, and so does everyone else, but we tolerate you anyway. If we were to censor this board to maintain the tone you set, the Cellar would be the joke of the internet.

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So you still do nothing - pretend these is no problem.

Does laughing count?

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Where is that post threaening TheMercenary. Oh. You repeatedly attack the symptoms - not the problem. Then what I stated yesterday and accruately about his wife was necessary and unavoidable.

Wrong, and you've been warned that is unacceptable.

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Others also defined the problem. Add Griff to the list. Instead you ignore the facts; choose to attack the messenger who finally got your attention. Instead you attack what makes you feel rather than deal with the problem. Where is one post from you to TheMercenary to stop it? You remain both silent and in denial. You encourage him to attack piercehawkeye45, radar, and others.

Right, it's all my fault, as are diseases, pestilence, wars and MBAs.

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TheMercenary is the reason long before I had no choice but the reply vicously and with irratation.

Oh you had a choice, many of them, but if you feel you don't, I can give you some very specific choices I doubt would make you happy.

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I responded long after merc routinely posted kindergarten attacks. Yes, assume that sentence is bluntly addressing your denials and misguided response. Shame on 'Bruce the Almighty'

Genuflect when you say that, pardner.

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for encouraging what then had to happen. Or go away so TheMercenary can continue to destroy the tone and attitude once found in the Cellar for 20 years.

Well, isn't that special.

I've already spelled out clearly where I draw the line. I will continue to maintain that position until I'm instructed to do otherwise.
By whom? It sure ain't you.

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 521194)

Tw, not only is your intellect impoverished, you are a crybaby as well. You've tried the same with me, to no result exept an additional burden of general contempt. Now in trying it with TheMercenary, you go from the contemptible to the beneath ridiculous, all because you handle emotion like a toddler.

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So. Whatever happened with the Al Franken deal?

My scroll finger hurts.

[ctrl+end] and conversely [ctrl+home]

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 527219)

So. Whatever happened with the Al Franken deal?

Coleman is gonna make the trial last as l o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o ng as he can, to keep Franken out of the senate as long as possible. He's calling for a post-recount court review of all 11000 absentee ballots that were rejected in the first round.

It's almost like a... a superior court of some kind should step in and tell them to stop counting.

Hold a special election, but get them both to sign off on accepting the results beforehand. There is no way it could possibly be that close again. Its gotta be cheaper than all this crap.