28 million, day-am. Thats one hell of a social services bill. I wonder how many are on welfare? Probably about the same proportion as the general population. Medical services are really expensive, though..... just for the kids born here that are legal.
Hey, that's an idea...tell 'em when they are caught they will be deported and banned forever, but were keeping the kids for farm labor. heh, heh, heh.
No I'm not serious, but I'll bet I raised some hackles, right Blue?

Yeah, I've heard the mid-western state thing before, but never seen any evidence it's not an old wives tale. You know, it wouldn't hurt to have a peer reviewed study proving there were no factors other than rounding up the criminals, had any effect?
Bet you haven't either.

Oh, bwa ha ha...'specially the part about the welfare. ;)

Social services are mostly spent on American citizens. Immigrants are here because they want to work. Social services do more for less money in other countries. Why would they come here for social services when, as illegals, they risk being deported. And yet still, the common myth is they are stealing social services.

How do reduce America's tax burden for social services? Double the number of illegal immigrants. Then governments get richer. Then the percentage of people dependent on social services goes down. Then companies who supply social services can find people to do that work.

The hospitals are essentially prevented from calling ICE. The few doctors that I know who have called are ignored. If you don't think that they come here to have thier babies you are wrong. Once the baby is born it is a naturalized citizen. Part of the grand plan.:neutral:

Like cats who sneak into other people's sheds to have their kittens...?

The same, but thank God multiple birth in humans is less common. :D

corrected.

Correct, thanks. Naturalized is what the parents should want to be, but I am not convinced that many do.

Oh... you missed post 87 and a hundred similar articles that have been posted or linked in the threads on immigration. tw, you're eyes are brown.

This is a fairly long thread, so maybe someone has already said this, but to be certain, the simple, most direct solution to the illegal immigration problem is to improve conditions in the illegal immigrants' native country. In other words, remove the reason for immigrating to begin with. If this requires aid and/or dropping the hammer on a few foreign government officials, so be it.

Well dumping taxpayers money into the World Bank and on impoverished nations has been pretty unsuccessful so far, I doubt dumping more money from the US will improve conditons. So why not tighten things up a bit and control movement better?

It was discussed extensively previously. Only round of WTO to fail would be directly traceable to the two nations who so want to skew trade unfairly. As a result, then entire world, angry at France and the US, walked out three days early in Cancun. This was widely reported throughout the world and little reported in America were a Rush Limbaugh mentality had so taken control.

United States so massively subsidizes agriculture as to make it impossible for people in other nations to create jobs in industries such as citrus, sugar, wheat, maize (corn), cotton, soybeans, etc The list of jobs better performed in those other nations is long. And those people cannot succeed because America perverted free trade prices with massive government welfare.

For example, prices of Oranges are up 50% due to bad orange crops in CA and FL. Brazil has more than enough to fill this need. America's massive tariffs keep Brazilian oranges out even with a 50% price increase on domestic crops.

American ethanol is a joke. It consumes more energy than is created. But Brazil has pioneered superior solutions long ago that can provide useful ethanol. So America puts a $0.54 per gallon surcharge on Brazilian ethanol. We are free traders?

Sugar is best grown in places such as Africa. 50% of American sugar is paid for by US government subsidizes. Yes, half the sugar in a container is paid for by the the US government. Therefore Africans cannot start sugar businesses. And so it goes

The Doha round of WTO will be a first trade conference ever to fail. World is quite blunt about whose government welfare makes it impossible for other countries to compete in agriculture products best suited in their nations. So their people must go where the jobs are - in America. That's 1.8 million just for agriculture.

WTO was put into stasis in a hope that the Doha round could be restarted after George Jr is gone. World has no illusions who is the anti-free trader here. By putting talks into stasis, it was hoped the accomplishments of those discussions could be saved and implemented.

Meanwhile, jobs created by socialism in America mean we need far more immigrants that permitts by draconian laws.

I only ignore silly lies and personal biases posted as if fact. Facts are otherwise. When illegal immigrants are removed, an economy goes into recession. Why? Most productive people in regional econmies include the illegals.

Most severe drain on social services are Americans. Illegals are only a drain where "I feel" gets perverted as if fact. Facts in NE were blunt. As soon as immigration cracked down on illegals, the resulting recession was so bad that local governments asked immigration agents to leave. That is reality. Illegals are only a drain on social services when emotionals see what they want to see. Meanwhile illegals are some of the most product members in local economies.

Good propaganda from an illegal alien point of view. It serves them to make people fear that their absence will somehow cause the economy to collapse. Fear mongering does not change the fact that they are breaking the law and draining our nation of vital opportunities to repair our over stretched social systems straining to support these people at great cost to the US taxpayers.



Immigration Issue Centers : Illegal Immigration
Social Security Funds for Illegal Aliens?
“Adding millions of lawbreakers to the Social Security system would be a slap in the face to our retirees. Why should we bend over backwards for those who broke our laws to work in this country while shortchanging the needs of hardworking Americans and legal immigrants who have put money into the Social Security system for decades? With Social Security in financial trouble, it is totally insane even to think about adding millions and millions of alien lawbreakers into the system. Congress must act now to pass H.R. 1631 and keep this travesty from happening."
— Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) [1]
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...suecenters3acf

A significant portion of rising health premiums is due to subsidizing the medical costs of uninsured illegal aliens.

As detailed in Illegal aliens threaten U.S. medical system between 1993 and 2003, 60 California hospitals closed because half their services were unpaid. Another 24 California hospitals are on the verge of closure. Both PA and NJ hospitals recently reported that they provided almost $2 billion in free emergency and short term care services, in large part to illegal aliens. Minnesota county commissioners say that the cost of medical care for uninsured immigrants is too high for local governments to bear and they expect a $4.2 billion budget shortfall over the next two years. NC has about $1.4 billion in un-reimbursed hospital expenses annually. The Texas Hospital Association directly spent $393 million treating illegal aliens in 2002. One third of the patients treated by the LA County Health System are illegal aliens and the system is facing a $300 million deficient. In AZ, the Southeast Arizona Medical Center had a $1 billion shortfall and recently filled for bankruptcy.

http://www.smalltowndefenders.com/public/node/114

For American farmers, the answer has been to keep importing workers—which has now made the farmers more vulnerable to foreign competition, since even minimum-wage immigrant workers can’t compete with produce picked on farms in China, Chile, or Turkey and shipped here cheaply. A flood of low-priced Turkish raisins several years ago produced a glut in the United States that sharply drove down prices and knocked some farms out of business, shrinking total acreage in California devoted to the crop by one-fifth, or some 50,000 acres. The farms that survived are now moving to mechanize swiftly, realizing that no amount of cheap immigrant labor will make them competitive.

As foreign competition and mechanization shrink manufacturing and farmworker jobs, low-skilled immigrants are likely to wind up farther on the margins of our economy, where many already operate. For example, although only about 12 percent of construction workers are foreign-born, 100,000 to 300,000 illegal immigrants have carved a place for themselves as temporary workers on the fringes of the industry. In urban areas like New York and Los Angeles, these mostly male illegal immigrants gather on street corners, in empty lots, or in Home Depot parking lots to sell their labor by the hour or the day, for $7 to $11 an hour.

That’s far below what full-time construction workers earn, and for good reason. Unlike the previous generations of immigrants who built America’s railroads or great infrastructure projects like New York’s bridges and tunnels, these day laborers mostly do home-improvement projects. A New York study, for instance, found that four in ten employers who hire day laborers are private homeowners or renters wanting help with cleanup chores, moving, or landscaping. Another 56 percent were contractors, mostly small, nonunion shops, some owned by immigrants themselves, doing short-term, mostly residential work. The day laborer’s market, in other words, has turned out to be a boon for homeowners and small contractors offering their residential clients a rock-bottom price, but a big chunk of the savings comes because low-wage immigration has produced such a labor surplus that many of these workers are willing to take jobs without benefits and with salaries far below industry norms.

Because so much of our legal and illegal immigrant labor is concentrated in such fringe, low-wage employment, its overall impact on our economy is extremely small. A 1997 National Academy of Sciences study estimated that immigration’s net benefit to the American economy raises the average income of the native-born by only some $10 billion a year—about $120 per household. And that meager contribution is not the result of immigrants helping to build our essential industries or making us more competitive globally but instead merely delivering our pizzas and cutting our grass. Estimates by pro-immigration forces that foreign workers contribute much more to the economy, boosting annual gross domestic product by hundreds of billions of dollars, generally just tally what immigrants earn here, while ignoring the offsetting effect they have on the wages of native-born workers.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/16_...s_economy.html

You really need to listen to yourself. And again, your sources are too biased to be credible.