okie dokie - hopefully your insults put this thread to a long overdue end.

There you go being all rude and nasty again.

You could always try bold. That might help.

Your little universe must be very nice. I wish I had that kind of mindless self-confidence. Very reassuring, I'm sure.

It's easy to feel superior when so many around you are inferior. Even an average man would feel super intelligent in a room full of Special Olympians.

Radar, here's a line you could try.

I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG SO NER NER NE NER NER!

Illegal aliens busted!

http://whitehouser.com/img/newspaper...l.newsclip.jpg

Maybe thats why we all feel so good after reading your posts in this thread.

(I already feel bad replying to this)

I'm happy you feel good. I don't. I feel superior, but not good. How can I feel good knowing so many morons are running around loose? Especially racists criminals like Merc.

I'd take a dozen of the worst immigrants over him anytime. They care more about America than he does, they understand the American dream more than he does, they respect the Constitution more than he does, they follow the principles of our founders unlike him, etc. In short, they are far more deserving to be in America and to call themselves Americans than he, and all of the people like him combined are.

Radar and I have something in common I think. There is no conceit in my family, I have it all.

BWAAHAAHAAHAAHAA

:D :thumb: :king: :mock: :stickpoke :lol2: :jig:

But not the migration of any other people that states choose to admit.

Ghey... You got to better than that.

More criminal illegal aliens:http://www.americanpatrol.com/IDENTI...DL-650x404.jpg

It's too bad they don't read too well in the south. California is certainly better than every southern state combined, and the most poorly educated Mexican here is more intelligent and classy than the best redneck from down there.

The people in question were slaves that the states chose to admit. The migration of them (movement) refers to moving slaves from one state to another. No "people" other than slaves were discussed in that clause.

Way to really stick it to 'em Radar.:rolleyes:

Georgia is starting to arrest them and have them deported by ICE. Since they are here illegally they don't have much recourse. The state is also going after the businesses. All good stuff.

Nothing in the passage supports that claim.

Everything in the passage supports it. It talks about the migration of slaves and the importation of slaves, and the fact that the federal government can't abolish slavery before 1808 but may charge a tax or duty for them.

Instead of the minuteman project, maybe I should join a Patriot Project where we take up arms against members of the unconstitutional ICE department and allow the immigrants to cross the border unmolested.

Maybe you should. It would draw your issue to a head. You would then have the finest lawyers and constitutional scholars debating the issue in the public realm and the issue can be put to rest.

I would love if you would, that is actually a grand idea. And as lookout stated, after you are arrested by the Border Patrol and put in prison for supporting illegal criminals you can challenge all of your fantasies in a court of law. I think it would be a good thing for you. You probably don't pay taxes either.:rolleyes:

Crap, we'd have to pay for his lawyer.....

Ugggggggggg... No we wouldn't, he told me earlier in this thread as he was in the Military for four years, got out and now makes more money than most general officers. So I say since he will be involved in smuggling more illegal aliens into the country we just get the feds to go seize all his assets, money, house, cars, whatever. Then we could use it to pay his public defender.:D

I don't think a dead border patrol agent is going to be able to arrest me.

Also, I pay plenty of taxes. I'd even pay income taxes if you or anyone can show me the law that compels me to do so. Joe Bannister, John Turner, and Sherry Jackson are all former IRS agents who quit their jobs when they couldn't find that law. When they asked the IRS to show them the law that compels us to pay income taxes so they would know they were doing the right thing, they were told they could resign and were not shown any law.

The government is my servant, and I am its master. If my servant doesn't abide by my rules (The U.S. Constitution) I will stop feeding the servant until he gets his act straight.

absolutely brilliant retort rambo. Your faith in your convictions is so weak that you would kill a guy doing his job rather than take the chance that the law doesn't support your view?

People are allowed to resign from jobs all the time. Often they are encouraged to do so when their mindset doesn't mesh well with the task at hand. That doesn't necessarily prove them right.

So now you are threatening to kill a border patrol agent who tries to arrest you....

And you admit to not paying taxes...

You have issues.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...225/Radar3.jpg

No, it doesn't mention slaves. Slavery can be inferred, but only in relation to the importation and duties, not in relation to migration. "Migration" as the forcible movement of slaves between states is a construct you brought in, not one that is in the passage, especially to the exclusion of all other types of migration.

shhh! if you make the walls of his little world crumble he might be forced to live in ours.

This last page just made me laugh.

I'm right and you're wrong, so ner ner ne ner ner! lol

Unbelievable.

Migration is not IMmigration. Slaves are migrated. Free people are immigrated.

Migration is not immigration, but immigration is migration. Slaves are migrated, free people migrate. The passage gives no preference to either construction.

I'm not threatening anyone. I'd be using DEFENSIVE force against those who attempt to violate or harass free people crossing the border LEGALLY. I'd be standing up for the Constitution and being a real American patriot.

Also, I didn't say I don't pay taxes. I pay plenty of taxes. I pay every tax that I am legally required to pay. I pay sales tax, excise taxes on my phone, cable, gas, electric, etc. bills, I pay gas tax when I fill up my car, I pay tariffs through higher prices on imported goods, I pay PLENTY of taxes.

I just said, I am not required to pay INCOME taxes because the government has no legitimate authority to take the fruits of my labor, and can never have such a legitimate power because people don't have the legitimate authority to take what others have earned by force and therefore can't grant that power to the government.

As far as issues goes, if you call being surrounded by assholes, morons, and gutless, anti-American scumbags like you...issues, I guess yes, I've got a few of those.

Illegals aliens just crawl, swim, walk, or enter this country illegally through some other means. They are birds who never fly back to the south, but they send their money south of the border!

You have LOTS of issues dude, delusions of grandeur is one of your biggest!:3eye:

Slaves migrate...free people immigrate.

Article 1, Section 9, Clause 1 refers ONLY to slaves. It discusses the migration or importation of slaves and the fact that the federal government may not prohibit slavery from the states that want to allow slaves to be imported or migrated into those states.

It can not be construed to have any relation or connection to immigration or movement of free people by any stretch of the rational mind.

That's nothing compared to your delusions of adequacy.

As per the Constitution of The United Sates section 8 paragraph 1:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

So, Congress has passed into law the United States Code.



United States Code TITLE 26--INTERNAL REVENUE CODE

SUBTITLE A--INCOME TAXES

CHAPTER 1--NORMAL TAXES AND SURTAXES

SUBCHAPTER A--DETERMINATION OF TAX LIABILITY

PART I--TAX ON INDIVIDUALS

Sec. 1. Tax imposed.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...d=Cite:+26USC1

I hope that helps.

No illegal immigrant has ever entered the United States. Those who cross the border by crawling, walking, swimming, running, or jumping are entering the country LEGALLY and are not violating any legitimate laws. They work hard, and contribute BILLIONS more to the U.S. economy than they use in services, and what they do with the rest of the money they earn is irrelevant.

If they are sending it back to Mexico, that is a good thing. It means Mexican people will be able to afford to buy more American made products.

They are all criminals as our laws define it. If they are not why are they being arrested and deported? Check our your local prison, they are filled with these illegals.

All taxes must be apportioned among the states. This means they take a census and divide the whole amount of money it takes to run the government into parts based on the population and each state's share is to be divided by the population of that state.

This is not happening with income taxes. Also Congress is granted the limited ability to create taxes, but not to tax income. Our rights can't be taxed. They can't make a breathing tax, an eating tax, or an earning a paycheck tax.

They are not criminals as our laws define it. Our highest law says the federal government may not create or enforce immigration laws. They are not violating any legitimate laws.

They are being arrested and deported ILLEGALLY and being harassed by idiots who know nothing about the Constitution. Also, undocumented immigrants are NOT filling up our prisons. In fact they are LESS likely to be arrested than people born here.

I realize you're not well educated down south, but all Hispanics or Mexicans are not undocumented immigrants.

I hope you can get put into the same cell as Al Capone. What a neat feeling, what a sense of history that would feel like.

And free people, when immigrating (or emmigrating, or just moving around within a country), migrate.You have yet to do more than assert that. The closest you have come to even attempting to support that assertion required you to make up a rule that free people don't migrate. I defy you to find a definition of "migrate" that has that restriction.

What part of the definition of migration excludes free people?

For that matter what part of the definition of immigration excludes enforced immigration?


Which dicktionary do you use? I'd be interested to seek that one out for my collection.

The wording dealing with direct taxes was removed in the 14th amendment:


AMENDMENT XIV

Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the 14th amendment.

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age,* and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5.
The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

*Changed by section 1 of the 26th amendment.


Hey, it's a game of constitution tag. You're it!!!

I quite liked that bit.

I wonder if, when the constitution was written, the authors intended to include slaves. We could refer to them as impelled refugees. I'm sure they must have thought about slaves since these men were so insightful that they could write a document which would encompass every single possible challenge the country is/was likely to face.

However, considering slaves are actually people who were forced to move against their will, it would seem that they are not covered in any way under the constitution, unless of course you don't consider them to be people to begin with.

I hope so too. Alcatraz is no longer a working prison. I'd be able to get out.

I don't see anything in there about taxes. The amendment you're looking for is the 16th and it was fraudulently ratified. It's not a legitimate part of the Constitution. Again, this isn't merely my opinion, it's a fact.

Philander Knox was the guy who did it. He slipped it by on Christmas Eve at midnight and he claimed it was ratified, but the papers were not ratified, and were changed by the states prior to signing them.

You may want to read "The law that never was" by Bill Benson. He traveled to each of the states and got original copies of the papers that were signed and he proves that the 16th was not legitimately ratified.

Even if it were ratified, it would become void because it violates several other parts of the Constitution. An amendment may add to the Constitution, or it may repeal part of the Constitution, but it may not contradict another part. The 16th violates many parts.

They were persons but were also slaves. They were treated as livestock.

Well if that's true, then every slave trader and user was acting unconstitutionally through their own ignorance and bigotry.

Why would you like his comments?
You don't really support this wacko do you?

Psssssst! I heard Heywood Jablowmee forged John Hancock's signature on the Declaration of Independance. Don't tell anybody....

:lol2:

Prove that please. You have stated too many times that nothing other than the constitution matters, then when verifiably proven wrong REPEATEDLY you try to slip away with another game of round robin duck and switch. :headshake
Now you want us to believe that another part of "the Constitution" that inarguably proves you are insane and completely WRONG is not valid - yeah right. :right: And we're the wacko's uh huh.
suuuuureee we are. :eyebrow:

Philander Knox for President!

Correction, I liked that particular comment. I disagree with Radar on most things we've ever discussed...and agree with him on a smattering too.

I find your attitude towards illegal immigrants distasteful. To me it is racist. This is not news to you Merc, we've had this discussion ourselves in the past :P