and not in a good way....

Um, Spex, I wasn't being sarcastic...

Well, one's health is very personal. And the procedure is a painful and invasive operation, with the added bonus of emotional turmoil. I'd have to go out on a limb here and say that it'd the rare woman/girl who wouldn't find it scary.

Copy and Paste. usarmydoctor

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Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French acunter, from a- (from Latin ad-) + cunter to count
Date: 14th century
transitive verb
1: to think of as : consider <accounts himself lucky>
2: to probe into : analyze
intransitive verb
1: to furnish a justifying analysis or explanation —used with for<couldn't account for the loss>
2 a: to be the sole or primary factor —used with for<the pitcher accounted for all three putouts> b: to bring about the capture, death, or destruction of something —used with for<accounted for two rabbits>

So - intransitive verb 2b: used with for <accounted for my baby>

I believe the unborn child is the one being held accountable...

I cannot seem to find just the right Smilie or icon to put at the end of this post. Do they make an animated one that shows a smiling face (you pick your favorite color) that is sucked apart by a little vacuum? Or one that is ripped to pieces by a surgical instrument? Or perhaps one that dies from poisoning?

Oh well -- I will settle for this one: .



Do you also believe women should seek legal consent from the father to have abortions?

Tailposting is rude.

What is tail posting again? I know someone told me once, but I forget.

Let me spell this out for you. I invited him here from the talent/curse thread to discuss this topic on an apropriate thread. Don't tell me I'm rude.

You're rude.


I wasn't even talking to you.

But now I am:

Define tailposting. Then prove that that is what I'm doing.

Posting at the end of a thread without reading it, usually covering a topic previously exhausted in stated thread at-length.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...TailPoster.jpg

do you have one of those for 'straw man'?

Buzzer sounds: Does not apply.....

~Posting at the end of a thread without reading it, usually covering a topic previously exhausted in stated thread at-length~


I was involved in the previous discussion on this thread and I was routing a discussion to the proper thread. You shouldn't start threads if you can't even read them yourself and remember who heavily contributed.

Do you spread so much bullshit that you can't even remember it anymore? Could it be?

I should make one, and for ad homonym (sp?)

http://www.thiscenturysucks.com/images/strawman.jpg
Now, for the points...
Suggestions please.

1. Misrepresentation of an opponent's position. Pointing to crotch
2. Lack of intelligence. Pointing to melon
3. Inability to express own point. Points to hand.
4. Quoting out of context. Points to mouth.

Any more that you can think of let me know... I think more would be too busy.

ad· homi·nem· (ad häm′ə nem′)

adjective

appealing to prejudice and emotion rather than to reason
attacking the character, motives, etc. of an opponent rather than debating the issue on logical grounds

Especially for idiot(s) that can't spell what they try so desparately to express but can't.


I'd say that defines your situation...good turn of a phrase...Stick it rk!!
:)

Actually dyslexia is a disease for the intelligent. Seems, however, you had to look it up... I'm not impressed.

I much prefer not being able to spell content others are unable to comprehend, so they lower themselves to pathetic little name calling alone for their "substance".

Thanks for the definition, I think I know what I'll call it now.

What do you mean dyslexia is a disease for the intelligent? I had no idea it was so selective. I'd be interested to see some facts to back that statement up.

Sorry rk, my Bullshit detector just went off like a foghorn.

The only relationship between intelligence and dyslexia is that there is no relationship.

Dyslexia is not linked to intelligence. You can have a high IQ and be dyslexic...and you can be thick as the preverbial swine stool and be dyslexic. The ability to learn to read and/or spell, is likewise not linked to intelligence. Someone with disablingly low IQ, may well acquire their reading skills with prodigious speed...they may have low comprehension of what they're reading, but they may well read highly competantly. By the same token, there are many people with high IQ's and highly developed comprehension skils for whom learning to read is a serious challenge, and for whom reading (and spelling) may always be problematic.


[eta]: for those who haven't really come across dyslexia, beyond what is apparent in popular culture, the condition is a good deal more complex than 'word blindness'. It can affect such things as the ability to read a clock, a map, road signs...or it may not. It can affect organisational skills (time-keeping, organising a work folder, sequencing actions)...to lesser or greater degrees. It can affect reading, without affecting writing, or it can affect both. It affects how long the visually accessed written word will stay in the memory(think about reading something from a blackboard and transcribing it to a page in front of you) and when affecting reading, or spelling there are often key letter combinations which regularly cause problems. It's also closely associated (and there is much cross-over between the two) with dyspraxia, more commonly known as 'clumsy child syndrome'.

Dyslexics are often very creative people. I am not sure why, my reading on the subject wasn't detailed enough to get to the nitty-gritty of the brain's workings. But I assume it's because their brains process information slightly differently and they often sequence things slightly differently to non-dyslexics.

Wow. You still don't know your spelling error. The wrong letters entirely. Let's spell it properly again.

ad· homi·nem·

This is not an indicator of Dyslexia.
:D

You know what? I like you RK. You started the name calling in this very thread that you don't remember me being a part of. Do you really smoke that much pot?

When you have any grievance with anyone you immediately get petty. I've done this to people and I force myself to apologize because I've been wrong. Do you have no conscience?

And- I'm not going to take definitions from someone that doesn't even know how to have a conversation or connect with other people. I have friends just like you. You squawk and squawk and poop, leaving everyone else to clean up your crap. One of my good friends is also exhibiting this behavior by stirring up issues on a bulletin board and not even listening when people are in complete agreement. He posts controversial crap constantly and doesn't even check the responses to his newest complaint. He's being a human troll, and I'm not going to bother with him anymore either. He's become someone that has a complete inability to communicate. He's become a walking billboard of current issues, and any act of real communication is futile anymore. He's become the human embodiement of a troll. See, when people do this in person people give up then too. How do you expect to get away with it here? Did you already forget that people were here for you while you were in the hospital? Or was I tail-posting in that thread too? Was offering support another unoriginal idea that I had? Screw you. And it's not just me. You do this to everyone.

Start paying some attention to what other people are saying.

From Langmaker http://www.langmaker.com/db/Ad_homonym

*smiles*

Damn it Dana!!!
;)

Really? Swine stool is proverbial? No wonder we admire your wonderful British lexicon.

Proverbial doesn't just mean 'from a proverb,' man. It can also mean 'widely referred to.' So "He's dumb as the proverbial box of rocks" is correct usage. As is swine stool, if swine stool is a common measure of intelligence.

Thick as swine stool, is NOT proverbial, in the United States.

Ah, I get it. You were poking fun at the phrase being used frequently. I thought you were correcting usage. Check. ;)

Dana and Cice... always good to see your true colors.

Bruce, I was being facetious. For swine stool, read pigshit:P

@ rk, wtf you talking about? True colours? You made a very silly statement about dyslexia. I happen to know a bit about dyslexia and corrected the statement.

Of course, that's all you said... how silly of me, no insults or personal attacks in your post?
LOL!

I said my bullshit detector went off. That's the extent of any so-called attack. I called you out on something about which you were mistaken (and using said mistake within an attack on somebody else). Remember you said (somewhere) that you admit when you are wrong and somebody points it out to you?

Showing your true colours again are you rk?

Well, I also questioned the statement about dyslexic people being intelligent.

rkz, do you have any reference for your statement at all because if so I'd love to see it. I'm seriously doubtful that there could be such a thing although I have no doubt that some people with dyslexia are very intelligent and can achieve great things if and when their problem is identified. In fact, there is one member of my family who has dyslexia and he was a brilliant honours student and now helps design weapons to kill people with. There are other members of the family who have similar problems and they're definitely not einstines in any way even though they're definitely not as thick as swine stool either.

I just don't believe your statement due to my own personal experience and also academic research.

I know you were, but what a wonderful description. Something colorful and descriptive, I've come to expect from Brits.

Oh Noz! I post interesting topics to talk about in a DISCUSSION BOARD!!
Then when people don't agree with what I think, just one person on the board, I don't take it personally... what will we do?!?!
I often tell people I care about the events in their life and wish them well and tell you what is happening in my life. If you choose not to read these, ok.
If you think you can speak for everyone, again, ok.
What a kid fit.

rkz...will you please answer me? I would really like to know why you made the statement you did.

Maybe there's something I'm missing.

I was making an generality, it is true that it can occur at any intellegence level, yet it is common among the very intellegent. We are often intellegent and creative enough to compensate for it so most have no idea.

Leonard Da Vinci
Ann Bancroft, Arctic Explorer.
Alexander Graham Bell.
John Britten, Inventor.
Thomas Edison.
Albert Einstein.
Michael Faraday.
Dr. James Lovelock.
Willem Hollenbach, astronomical photographer and inventor.
John R. Horner, Paleontologist.
Paul MacCready "Engineer of the Century."
Archer Martin, Chemist (1952 Nobel Laureate)
Pierre Curie, Physicist (1903 Nobel Prize).
John Robert Skoyles, Brain Researcher.
Werner Von Braun
George Patton.
Ansel Adams, Photographer.
David Bailey, Photographer.
Leonardo da Vinci.
Ignacio Gomez, Muralist.
Tommy Hilfiger, Clothing Designer.
Pablo Picasso.
Robert Rauschenberg.
Auguste Rodin.
Bennett Strahan
Robert Toth
Jørn Utzon (architect, designed Sydney Opera house)
Andy Warhol.
Cher.
Brad Little.
John Lennon.
Nigel Kennedy, Violinist.
Bob Weir, Grateful Dead Guitarist.
Harvey Cushing, Surgeon.
Fred Epstein,Neurosurgeon.
Winston Churchill.
King Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden.
Michael Heseltine.
Andrew Jackson.
Thomas Jefferson.
John F. Kennedy.
Gavin Newsom, Mayor of San Francisco.
Nelson Rockefeller.
Paul Wellstone,U.S. Senator.
Woodrow Wilson.
George Washington.
Scott Adams, Cartoonist (Dilbert)
Hans Christian Andersen
Avi
Jeanne Betancourt, (Author of "My Name is Brain Brian").
Steven Cannell, television writer & novelist.
John Corrigan, novelist..
Larry Chambers.
Andrew Dornenburg, award-winning author and chef.
Agatha Christie.
Fannie Flagg (Author of "Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe").
F. Scott Fitzgerald.
Gustave Flaubert.
Terry Goodkind fantasy writer, author of The Sword of Truth series.
Patricia Polacco, Children's Author and Illustrator.
Eileen Simpson (Author of "Reversals").
Elizabeth Daniels Squire(author of mystery novels).
Bernie Taylor, author of Biological Time.
Victor Villaseñor
W.B. Yeats
Richard Branson,Founder of Virgin Enterprises.
John T Chambers,CEO of Cisco Systems.
Henry Ford.
William Hewlett, Co-Founder, Hewlett-Packard.
Craig McCaw, Telecommunications Visionary.
O.D. McKee, founder of McKee Foods.
David Neeleman, CEO of jetBlue Airways.
Paul J. Orfalea, founder of Kinko's.
Charles Schwab, Investor.
Ted Turner, President, Turner Broadcasting Systems.
F.W. Woolworth
Robert Benton.
Nicole Betancourt, Emmy-winning filmmaker.
Walt Disney.
Søren KraghJacobsen (Danish film director).
Harry Anderson
Orlando Bloom
Harry Belafonte
Tom Cruise
Dave Foley
Danny Glover
Whoopi Goldberg
Susan Hampshire
Jay Leno
Keanu Reeves.
Kiera Knightley
Edward James Olmos
Oliver Reed.
Billy Bob Thornton.
Tom Smothers
Robin Williams
Henry Winkler
Loretta Young

I will still argue that it is common among people of any intelligence level rkz. I've already acknowledged that it can indeed be a problem intelligent people have to work around also.

You probably wont find a list of dumb people who have dyslexia because they never got famous. ;) Although I'd have to say from looking at that list that it's arguable as to what sort of intelligence qualifies them to be on your list of intelligent people.

ur stealin my linez

srry. ;)

Cokanz iz not teh ansorz!

I bet that the 'not-so-smart' people with dyslexia aren't even considered to have this issue or tested for it. They're simply written off as 'dumb' and that's the end of it.

This is what I like about the cellar: You can be discussing abortion and it can turn into a dyslexia debate. No really, I think that's awesome. Just a good mood today I guess.

RK, I've grown tired of the arguement...I'm in a live and let live mood. Go about your business how you see fit. I'm no judge of character. I'd just like to see you apologize every once in awhile, or reverse an opinion when it doesn't even add up with you. Whatever. Lots of people are trying to say the same thing...I don't need to do it. Hey- I don't even care about your insults. The truth hurts. And well...I'm still happy so that should tell you something. Have a nice one.

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Sorry for disturb!

I have reversed my opinion and admitted when I have been wrong (no I won't go look it up) more than once.
I will apologize when I start an attack, I don't do that. I post threads on topics that I find interesting and I discuss them impersonally until I am attacked, these days that is usually on the first post, as I have a bevy of stalkers now.
The truth? What truth.
Don't like my topic/threads, don't go in them, if you do, don't get/take them personally, just discuss them and I will not return insults/personal attacks.
It is very simple.
Find a place where I started it and I will apologize and tell you I am sorry.

Umm...the post where you accused Cicero of tailposting springs immediately to mind. She (quite fairly and reasonably) moved a discussion from another thread which had veered off into the abortion debate over to here: a thread about abortion. Your response was an outright and unneccesary attack.

rk, just because people disagree with you does not make them stalkers. Nor does it constitute an attack. You made an outrageous statement about Dyslexia being indicative of intelligence. I posted in a somewhat tongue-in-cheek manner that my bullshit detector had gone off and explained why you were incorrect in your assertion. Your response? to attack me for even having joined in the conversation and accuse me of ....I'm not quite sure what, I guess ganging up on you.
For the record: I did not respond to your comment because it was you who made it. I responded to your comment because it was about dyslexia and I have done a little work in that field. You say that dyslexics are intelligent, i say yes, some of them are. Some of them are not. There's no way to be entirely sure, but I would suspect given what evidence there is, that the proportions are no different than in the rest of the population.

Out of a class of 25-30 adult, basic-skills students I could reasonably expect at least 10 of them to exhibit symptoms and characteristics of dyslexia. Whether they were all in fact dyslexic, I have no way of knowing without conducting dyslexia tests on them, which I am not qualified to do. Undiagnosed dyslexia is thought by many in the field to account for a large proportion of the destructive life-patterns of many young, male criminals, currently in jail. The proportions of male prisoners who are functionally illiterate is close to fifty percent. Of those a significant proportion are likely to be dyslexic. Up until the last twenty years the vast majority of dyslexics either found their own coping strategies which worked, or were left behind and labelled 'stupid'. A very high proportion of my older students displayed dyslexic characteristics, far higher than amongst the younger students (25-30).

The fact that you have a long list of very clever, very creative people with dyslexia tells us nothing, other than that dyslexia need not disable someone from participating in literary, academic, or creative pursuits. I can find you a similar list of very clever, very creative people who are not dyslexic.

Now. I haven't returned to this topic because I hate you, wish to stalk you, wish you ill, or enjoy getting a rise out of you. I have returned to it, because you are barking up entirely the wrong tree, and it happens to be a tree I'm quite fond of.

don't worry Rage, i've got it covered for you.

Dana, you're a stalker. i don't care what you think.

Dyslexia is a disease of the intelligent, because:
- If you're intelligent, they'll call you 'dyslexic'
- If you're not intelligent, they'll call you 'dumb'

In no way was it an attack, it was an accurate description of what she was doing, rehashing a topic that had been previously exhausted, ad-naseum, previously in the thread... a thread she had not read.
Yes, she had been invited, how does that precode reading it?

I stated dyslexia can occur in any intelligence range, clearly and concisely. Two posts later. You must have missed that one. Please, go check it out.

I'm glad you are better at diagnosing me over the net than the professionals that have in person, more than once... you are truly skilled!

Actually, you have returned and posted an extensive and factually incorrect attack.

This thread. RK. This thread that I didn't even read....Did I read this right?
:D
#341
My joke wasn't that funny but you took the opportunity to call me a"sexist".
There are other examples...I'm just tired of the arguement....Done. I'm just done with it.



I'm working on being more polite, everywhere. I'm trying to visualize how I act and how I normally treat people to their faces...So the same will apply here from now on....
You also don't know that I did a fair amount of research on the topic of sexism. I had to reverse my opinion after a period of intense study, and a couple of specious essays that I received a perfect score on. It was going to be a book, it was going so well. I had an epiphany about the said topic and had to dump my former ideas, and the idea of a book as well. I am probably the least sexist person I know, because I am very sensitive to it and unlike most people, (because they are normal and I am crazy over the topic) I actually recognize when I'm ascribing to it, and stop myself. Like most of your insults- that one just doesn't fly and you could never understand the depths of how wrong your impressions are about it.

So- I'm not going to argue. Hope you are having a good one and there's no need to even respond to what I've written here if you would like to continue in this vein.....
I read too much Epictetus this weekend and I am giving up inflammatory arguements and trading them in for good debates. There's just no good, in any sense of the word, that can come from it. I've been pretty petty here lately, as I have been bated and took the hook almost every time.
So...
I hope you are having a good day and if you aren't...find a way to make that happen!


Off topic and I don't care:
SamIam can be proud now that I am going to utilize the good stuff I read again. You win. (Sam)


I hope Dana was just refering to me. :)

Wrong. A thread she had contributed to extensively. Also wrong, she wasn't invited, she was the one doing the inviting.

No I read it. I had responded to an earlier post in which you claimed dyslexia to be a disease of the intelligent. Your response was to attack me. My next few posts were tackling that attack.


At what point have i attempted to diagnose you? I did not deny you were dyslexic at any point. I just took issue with your assertion that dyslexia is an indication of intelligence. I have taken on faith, because you have told me, that you are dyslexic. I recall you mentioning it once before, if memory serves. I am neither qualified, nor intending to become qualified, in diagnosing dyslexia. I have however, some training in how to teach literacy to dyslexic adults and in the process of that training i gained at least a modicum of an understanding of the condition.

I did not post an attack. I posted a rebuttal. At what point was my post factually incorrect? Generally speaking, board decorum would suggest that you cite the specific part of the post which you deem to be incorrect. Just pointing your finger at me and saying 'wrong' won't do.

dude is even an asshole to those who bend over backwards to make allowances for his bitter hateful mannerisms.

I felt, in context, your comment was sexist. However, seeing your side of it and the humor aspect, you are correct, I can see how it could be seen both ways and I do apologize for that. I will try to be more careful in the future.
Trust me, no one wants all this kid shit to stop more than I. I just want to discuss topics without all the stalking and spam.

You never stated I am not dyslexic? Sorry. I thought you had and read this to be that you were. My mistake, I aplogise... though others had, and I still think you implied it.

I never said it did, following me from thread to thread to thread, post to post to post just to insult me OT is stalking and nothing else.

Dana, you are saying I never made post #453 in this thread?

No. I implied nothing of the sort. I fail to see how anybody could read anything i've posted on this topic and come to that conclusion, rk. I understand others have implied it, but I categorically did not. On the contrary I have been operating on the understanding that you are dyslexic.

Are you seriously suggesting this is what I'm doing? I'm sorry but if you are that's just ludicrous. I hit New Posts and go to the posts I find interesting/intriguing ot to which I have at some point already contributed. Sometimes when I log in your name is listed as last poster for most of the threads I am interested in.

I post how I see it on each individual thread. There are times I post in support of something you've said. There are times I post in disagreement. There are times you say something that annoys me enough to post in a less friendly fashion. This is not stalking. This engaging in the constant live debates that characterise the Cellar.

If you really think I am victimising you in some way, then my friend, you have a very strange view of victimisation.

I'm sorry, I've been under attack a lot today and assumed the worst. Thanks again.
I have never called you a stalker, troll or anything remotely like that.

Okay, fair enough. I misunderstood your post :P

:grouphug:

I agree.

Now that we've all had a big group hug, I'd like to point out that I'm pretty sure no one on this forum 'stalks' others. I do what Dana (and I'm pretty sure just about everyone else) does, I look at new posts and see what interests me.

The reason (for example) tw and UG are constantly arguing is not because they sit around searching for each other's previous posts, it's because they're both clicking on the same threads because they're interested in the same topics... and they happen to disagree VERY strongly about them.