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elSicomoro 05-15-2004 08:21 PM

Not yet, anyway...I'm sure I'll stop by Ampland sometime tonight.

russotto 05-16-2004 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by Hubris Boy

Gad, don't people read anymore? The Supreme Court decided this one waaaay back in 1927. As far as I know, <i>Buck v. Bell <a href="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=274&invol=200">(274 US 200)</a></i> has never been <i>explicitly</i> overturned.

A distinction it shares with such landmark opinions as Korematsu v. US (approving concentration camps for US citizens of Japanse ancestry). Don't bet on that precedent holding, despite not having been explicitly overturned. More recent cites of it have not been particularly kind to it.

OnyxCougar 05-16-2004 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by Troubleshooter

.....Conjugal visits....

Another thing people in prison should not get. It's supposed to be hard, it's supposed to be a deterrent. *sigh*

DanaC 05-16-2004 07:14 PM

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It's supposed to be hard
.....was that a deliberate pun?:doit:

xoxoxoBruce 05-16-2004 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by russotto


A distinction it shares with such landmark opinions as Korematsu v. US (approving concentration camps for US citizens of Japanse ancestry). Don't bet on that precedent holding, despite not having been explicitly overturned. More recent cites of it have not been particularly kind to it.

The court decides what is right for the times. It's all renegotiable.:)

Lady Sidhe 05-17-2004 12:08 PM

Sorry everyone...my modem died, and I haven't had internet for a week, so I'm playing catch-up. I'm like, five pages behind....
We'll be gone on vacation for a week, and I don't know if I'll have access to a computer.


Sidhe

lumberjim 05-17-2004 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by Lady Sidhe
Sorry everyone...my modem died, and I haven't had internet for a week,

Sidhe

no need to apologize ;)

ladysycamore 05-17-2004 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by Pie

More than 50% of children born in this country are unplanned. 'Nuff said.

- Pie

It's not so much the unplanning but the parenting. But, family planning IS lacking...

ladysycamore 05-17-2004 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Personally, I think you're full of shit. You want kids? Fine, I even pay, through the nose, for their schools, recreation facilities and a host of other crap. But, I'll be damned if I'm taking responsibility for the care of the little bastards. Goddamned armchair philosophers love to tell me what I have to do, when they've never done a productive thing in their lives.

I think I love you. :p :D

richlevy 05-17-2004 07:19 PM

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Originally posted by ladysycamore


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Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Personally, I think you're full of shit. You want kids? Fine, I even pay, through the nose, for their schools, recreation facilities and a host of other crap. But, I'll be damned if I'm taking responsibility for the care of the little bastards. Goddamned armchair philosophers love to tell me what I have to do, when they've never done a productive thing in their lives.
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I think I love you. :p :D

You can love him all that you want as long as you don't have any children!:doit: :eek3:

I don't think the world is ready for another 'fair and balanced' Fox commentator.

xoxoxoBruce 05-17-2004 08:49 PM

It's not that I hate children. I love children,...I just don't think I could eat a whole one.:yum:

wolf 05-18-2004 12:32 AM

The smaller ones are more tender. Easier to fit into the oven without having to separate them into parts.

Pie 05-18-2004 09:19 AM

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Originally posted by ladysycamore
It's not so much the unplanning but the parenting. But, family planning IS lacking...
...And if the majority of Americans are incapable of exercising enough self-control to engage in proper "family planning," then how the hell will they ever be able to engage in proper parenting of said family?

If they can't be bothered to remember to take their pill every morning, or use that condom+spermicide, how will they plan a family budget and stick to it? (Oh, that's right, the average American owes $2,900 in credit card debt.)

Will they supervise a kid's homework? Teach them right from wrong, responsibility and respect for others?

Irresponsibility leads to children. Irresponsibility leads to bad parenting.

It's a vicious cycle.

- Pie

glatt 05-18-2004 09:28 AM

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Originally posted by Pie

(Oh, that's right, the average American owes $2,900 in credit card debt.)

I always wonder about these types of stats. Not too long ago, when my wife and I both worked, and we had no kids, we would put about $1000 a month on our credit cards. Just buying stuff, going on trips, etc. We would always pay it off in its entirety each month. But basically every month, we had a new bill for about $1000.

To use your terminology, did we "owe" $1000 "in credit card debt" back then? In my mind, we didn't, because it was just one form of payment instead of another. But I wonder what the organizations that track credit card debt would think?

Clodfobble 05-18-2004 09:46 AM

Either way, the number sounds really low compared to other similar statistics I've had flung at me...


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