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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 870078)

Snowden made an appearance today and his remarks are below:

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... If you have any questions, I will answer what I can.

Thank you.

Hanging, firing squad; or, drone?

Now, now, don't you know Berrigan... uh, I mean Snowdon is a hero? He should be rewarded for telling us what anyone who was paying attention knew in 2007. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 870145)

Hanging, firing squad; or, drone?

Venezuela may be punishment enough...

or Russia. As long as the rest of the planet is populated with these petty dictatorships it doesn't put much pressure on our homegrown fascism to ease up. I liked it better when Snowden was hanging with free folks in Hong Kong, but we're determined to drag the free world down.

Petty dictatorships? Aint nuttin petty about Putin's dictation!

FTR, I disagree with the recent posts disapproving of Snowden, but that's becoming a matter of opinion, not information, and I'm not in the mood for that kind of argument. But I think it's time to stop claiming to be the "Free world".

Mind you, US hegemony is still less fucked up than that of China or Russia.

I'm tired of every cocksucker that betrays this country automatically being made a folk hero.

Hegemony? We're just carrying on the family tradition.

Why not let bygones be bygones so Snowden can come back. He can settle down in a nice protected neighborhood somewhere in Florida. To show there's no hard feelings, we'll even buy him a brand new hoodie and have George Zimmerman keep an eye on him.

Not a holiday camp in Cuba?

This article in Der Spiegel http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...-a-911589.html quotes Jimmy Carter as supporting Snowden and even saying "Amerika hat derzeit keine funktionierende Demokratie", i.e. America does not have a functioning democracy.

Has this made it to the US media yet?

Oh no, that would be an inconvenient narrative.

It's showing up on a few second rate "news" sites, but no major news source besides Der Spiegel is reporting it.

The cost of digital data storage has gone down so much, nothing is not feasible !

ACLU
Catherine Crump,
July 17, 2013

You Are Being Tracked: How License Plate Readers Are Being Used to Record Americans' Movements

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Automatic license plate readers are the most widespread
location tracking technology you’ve probably never heard of.
Mounted on patrol cars or stationary objects like bridges,
they snap photos of every passing car, recording their plate numbers, times, and locations.

At first the captured plate data was used just to check against lists of cars
law enforcement hoped to locate for various reasons (to act on arrest warrants, find stolen cars, etc.).
But increasingly, all of this data is being fed into massive databases that
contain the location information of many millions of innocent
Americans stretching back for months or even years.
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Because of the way the technology works – these devices snap photos
of every passing car, not just those registered to people suspected of crimes
– virtually all of the data license plate readers gather is about people who are completely innocent.
Data that we obtained through our records requests illustrates this point vividly:

Attachment 44809

Law enforcement data-retention policies today are all over the map.
While some police departments store data briefly, others keep it for a long time, or indefinitely.

Attachment 44810

The entire report is down-loadable as a PDF file.
(See, everyone can store data cheaply, even you :cool:)

I bitched about the plate readers monitoring Interstate 80, years ago, but I was called paranoid, and told not to worry.

Everything you need to know about PRISM.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 870838)

I bitched about the plate readers monitoring Interstate 80, years ago, but I was called paranoid, and told not to worry.

Because the plate readers were not the problem. And must be everywhere in our future. The problem is who controls the data. A major difference. Plate readers will be ubiquitous. Welcome to innovation. We never solve a problem by stifling innovation. First define the resulting problems. Then address them. Who controls the data?

Otherwise the problem is cars that have license plates.

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<snip>Otherwise the problem is cars that have license plates

... and bicyclists don't :eyebrow: