Too late

My apologies classic I completely misunderstood your post.

I adore Andrej Pejic. I'd recognize those beauty marks anywhere.

And someday he'll look like this.

Ya'll have given me much to mull over. It seems to me that the problem is that when ever we whittle down a human being to an image, or "object" it makes it easier to be emotionally distant from the object. And then to treat the object as sub human, and this leads to bad stuff in our society. Soldiers do the same thing, our job is to break shit and kill people. Much easier when those people are Jerries, krauts, towel heads, dirties..I think you get the idea.

Some would say then that porn, soft porn, pictures of tits and ass etc...lead to bad stuff in our society. I would say that it's not so true. It's just that the guys that are in the mental space to mistreat women are in to the objects of porn, soft porn and picts of tits and ass.

So, where do we draw the line, and how do we know what is really going on? I like the female form just as much as the next guy, can't deny that women are freaking sexxy. Doesn't mean I'm an abusing womanizer. I don't know Grav other then what he posts on here, his personal life is not my business.

Everyone views this stuff through their own mental and emotional lens.

I guess that's all I have to say about that.

You sneaky. :p:

IMHO....

Sometimes a woman wants to be all sexy and stuff. Then it is (probably) okay to look at her and treat her as sexy. (Unless she's drunk or has "issues" or whatever, then you're taking advantage. Bad play.)

Sometimes she wants to explain her new interpretation of quantum physics or a proposal for functional healthcare. At that time, the comment, "Nice tits" is not appropriate.

Learning to tell the difference and act accordingly is what separates the men from the boys.

Hahahah. Outstanding response Zen.

If only Penn State had learned that.

Ok, wise one... explain this one:

why do women wear low cut tops and then get pissy if they catch you peeking at the cleavage?

Peeking, or staring?

I've never had an issue with peeking. Or looking. Or being checked out.
But when a man looks only at my breasts and not at my eyes I find it creepy. Ditto looking at breasts more often than eyes.
And trust me, I have had this reaction when conservatively dressed.

It's as disrespectful as the lazy teenage staff in a shop who don't bother looking at you, except with sexual overtones.

PEEKING.

it's like a twisted little game you play. and GOD FORBID you slip your hand inside her blouse, lean her back over her chair and french kiss her.. then all hell breaks loose!

umm...

Keeptalking.