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Aliantha 02-15-2009 10:30 PM

I have tums everywhere atm.

TheMercenary 02-15-2009 10:32 PM

Flint, for the last 15 years I have watched the gobberment and large health care companies throw millions into making this work. I have not seen a single one that worked smoothly enough to make me stand back as an end user and say, wow, that really makes my job so much easier. Not one.

Aliantha 02-15-2009 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 535142)
Just one man's viewpoint from squarely within a situation which is probably nothing more than a soundbyte to most people.

Thanks for editing this post. Mine doesn't make much sense now. :( lol

Flint 02-15-2009 10:34 PM

Tough luck, kid!

Aliantha 02-15-2009 10:35 PM

Well people can just wonder and speculate now. There's a fair bit of that around here anyway. :)

classicman 02-16-2009 08:43 AM

Very interesting take Flint, on the real world implications of something that sounds great on the surface, but is apparently completely impractical to implement.

If this is the case and I believe it is, why are we trying to spend so much money on something that isn't feasible?

TheMercenary 02-16-2009 08:51 AM

Classic, obviously I can't answer for Flint, but IMHO it is a notable and worth while issue to take on. But most people never thought about throwing money at this program until Obama picked it up as a campaign issue. I feel they cherry picked it as something to show the public that they are addressing a health care issue to make them feel good in the spending package all the while the problem of the under and un-insured, among many other things, has not go away. People in health care have been exposed the digital and electronic record keeping for more than 15 years. This is not a new issue. There are huge problems and it centers around the issues that Flint brought up about proprietary information and lack of interoperability. None of those issues are fixed by throwing money at them. All they are doing is making a very small group of people very rich.

TheMercenary 02-16-2009 10:39 AM

Ouch. That one is going to hurt.

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/84712

TGRR 02-16-2009 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 535259)
Ouch. That one is going to hurt.

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/84712

Good thing our hospitals never make mistakes.

TheMercenary 02-16-2009 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TGRR (Post 535372)
Good thing our hospitals never make mistakes.

It's not about mistakes. It is about throwing millions, or in our case with Obama, billions at a problem hoping the solution just works it self out for digital record keeping in health care.

TGRR 02-16-2009 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 535399)
It's not about mistakes. It is about throwing millions, or in our case with Obama, billions at a problem hoping the solution just works it self out for digital record keeping in health care.

Ever try to get your medical records?

The system as is, sucks. Not that I'm really big on anything in the StealFromUs package.

TheMercenary 02-16-2009 07:37 PM

Yea, since I work in the hospital it is easier for me than most, but even my family can't get theirs without a blessing from the Pope. Now if you want a copy for a referral appt that is in 2 days they can let you process a request and you can get it in 2 weeks, maybe.

The one good thing is our Radiology Dept went all digital so radiological tests which involve dye can be obtained on a disk and other providers can actually view the test. The turn around to get those copied was 15 min. Radiology has always been on the cutting edge of the digital revolution in health care, 5 or more years ahead of the rest of the herd.

TGRR 02-16-2009 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 535405)
Yea, since I work in the hospital it is easier for me than most, but even my family can't get theirs without a blessing from the Pope. Now if you want a copy for a referral appt that is in 2 days they can let you process a request and you can get it in 2 weeks, maybe.

The one good thing is our Radiology Dept went all digital so radiological tests which involve dye can be obtained on a disk and other providers can actually view the test. The turn around to get those copied was 15 min. Radiology has always been on the cutting edge of the digital revolution in health care, 5 or more years ahead of the rest of the herd.


Thing is, trying to FORCE that is like trying to push a string.

Flint 02-19-2009 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 535405)
Radiology has always been on the cutting edge of the digital revolution in health care, 5 or more years ahead of the rest of the herd.

And yet, those of us in Radiology say things like: "Witness the very nature of DICOM itself, the most non-standard standard that ever existed."

sugarpop 02-20-2009 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 533403)
I'm not claiming it is perfect in other countries, but that they have access to it. I think we should look at what other countries do, and adopt things that would work here. There is no such thing as a perfect system, I don't believe. Ours certainly doesn't work very well though, unless you are fortunate enough to work somewhere that still has good benefits, or unless you can afford good insurance (which doesn't always end up being as good as you think).

Why is OK that taxpayers end up subsidizing health care for employees of rich corporations like WalMart, when they can obviously afford to supply it? Why do we put up with that? Those people don't make enough to buy insrance on their own, so they are mostly on some kind of Medicaid. And WalMart is one of the richest corporations in the world. Why aren't you pissed off about that?

OOPS! I meant to say medicaid, fixed it.


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