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xoxoxoBruce 02-21-2009 12:45 PM
I find it too limiting, and doesn't begin to cover the difference between a Democracy and a Republic, which is where we started.

Flint 02-21-2009 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 537218)
This is different but serves the same purpose.

http://www.educationforum.co.uk/soci...ical_chart.jpg
Isn't that the Political Compass? As in, the political compass?

Pico and ME 02-21-2009 09:57 PM
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Redux, can you find that chart you speak of? The only thing I can find is the Pournelle Chart which looks like this...Is this it?

Undertoad 02-21-2009 10:08 PM
It is. There is also the Nolan chart.

Clodfobble 02-21-2009 10:40 PM
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I'm sorry, this is the only chart that matters:

sugarpop 02-21-2009 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TGRR (Post 534485)
Yes, I answered it. The definition of the right vs left dichotomy given is a complete fabrication which has absolutely no basis in political theory or even dictionary definitions. It is meaningless Rush Limbaugh garbage, and can only be taken seriously by people who think Ann Coulter is highbrow reading.
bwahahahahahahahaha :lol2:

xoxoxoBruce 02-21-2009 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 537383)
I'm sorry, this is the only chart that matters:
Your right, as usual. ;)

sugarpop 02-21-2009 10:54 PM
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Equally amusing, according to this, anarchists (the vast majority of whom consider themselves leftwing) are apparently on the far right.

Its faux-libertarian garbage, the sort of petty rhetorical shift one finds in the works of von Mises and the type. Unfortunately for them, it has no standing in political science or analysis.
Anarchists are libertarians, and can fall on either side of the spectrum. Most of the people I know are liberals, and quite a few of them consider themselves anarchist/socialists. And no, those two concepts do not clash. They fit together quite nicely.

TheMercenary 02-22-2009 09:42 AM
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Anarchists are libertarians, and can fall on either side of the spectrum. Most of the people I know are liberals, and quite a few of them consider themselves anarchist/socialists. And no, those two concepts do not clash. They fit together quite nicely.
That is a crazy assumption.

TheMercenary 02-22-2009 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 537383)
I'm sorry, this is the only chart that matters:
I love it. :D

sugarpop 02-23-2009 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 537488)
That is a crazy assumption.
Why?

And it is not an assumption.

TheMercenary 02-23-2009 04:47 PM
Just because anarchist/socialists share some common views about government does not mean they are even close on the spectrum of common thinking.

piercehawkeye45 02-23-2009 09:33 PM
Anarchists are almost always considered leftists. Anarcho-capitalists can technically be considered anarchists because they share the same ideas about a lack of state but they do not share the same ideas on equality, labor, and just about everything on an economic scale, which many anarchists consider an essential part of anarchy.

TGRR 02-23-2009 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 538215)
Anarchists are almost always considered leftists.
Except for the Libertarian Party, and anything involving Ayn Rand.

But the other two guys are leftists, sure.

DanaC 02-24-2009 01:17 PM
I havent met many anarchists who weren't lefties, but that might be because I am in the UK. I think our political spectrum is subtly different.


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