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Well, I'm not saying the government shouldn't help its people. What I'm saying is, it really wont matter in the long run.

This current freight train to financial hell has to run its course cause someone forgot to fix the brakes.

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Originally Posted by TGRR (Post 531791)

Yeah. I like your shit. So I'll kill you and take it. Or maybe just enslave you. What happens to your family is up to my whim. Or the whim of someone even more fucked in the head than I am.

That's anarchy. Ain't it just AWESOME?

In a truly anarchistic society, the people would not allow that to happen. They would make their own laws, and punishment. But, that is also why it won't work. People are not capable of that kind of society, yet, at least not on a large scale.

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 531883)

That is not anarchy nor is it the thinking of an anarchist. You talk out of both sides of your mouth if that is what you really think. You hail the efforts of Obama and the Demoncratic tax and spend plan but yet you say you want to keep government out of your life. You can't have it both ways and you certainly can't think that Obama and the currently Demoncratically controlled congress is going to conduct operations that are designed to stay out of the life of the population. That is not their plan.

I want government out of MY life, as long as I'm not doing harm to another. I think business needs to be heavily regulated though.

And I would prefer government NOT have to spend to get us out of this mess. Unfortunately, I do not believe that is any longer an option, if we want to lessen the effects of the recession.

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 532234)

Then we'll file it with "True Communism", "The Free Market", and all the other political utopian myths.

And hey, just because it hasn't been done yet, doesn't mean one can't aspire to those principles. Most of the people I know are what you would call socialist anarchists.

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 532399)

And hey, just because it hasn't been done yet, doesn't mean one can't aspire to those principles. Most of the people I know are what you would call socialist anarchists.

Yeah, I know how they feel, being a reptillian mammal.

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 532399)

Most of the people I know are what you would call socialist anarchists.

Perhaps you need to get out more? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 532585)

Perhaps you need to get out more? :rolleyes:

hey, I happen to like those people. :D You probably would too if you knew them.

...orrrr... maybe not.

Transparency? It sure is change.

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HOW OBAMA GETS THINGS DONE
By Neal Boortz @ March 2, 2009

Barack Obama .. he's a do whatever you have to do to win kinda guy. Don't you just love that about him? So ... how does Obama plan to ram through his healthcare and energy schemes? After all, he doesn't have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. Surely there's something he can do. As a matter of fact, there is! He will use a procedural tactic that would only require 50 votes in order to pass the Senate. Here's the deal. You include your health "reforms" in a budget reconciliation bill. These bills require only 50 votes to pass and no filibuster is permitted. Peter Orszag is the director of the Office of Management and Budget. Now he says that he would prefer that this budget reconciliation process not be used, but, after all, health care is crucial ... and when you dealing with something so very important like this you may just have to use some awkward tactics. After all ... as Orszag says, healthcare is "the key to our fiscal future." More like the key to increased government dependency.

Health care isn't the only thing Obama will get through using this tactic. Obama has a grand new taxation plan out there called "carbon cap and trade." Look for this to become law by the same means.

Do you doubt that our wonderful, amazing, greatest president in the history of this country would try some devious tactics to enact his socialist agenda? Permit me to remind you how he won his very first election to public office. He didn't win at the ballot box ... he won by sending his cohorts to the courthouses to work on disqualifying all of his opponents. If you can't beat them, have them removed from the ballot. Whatever works is good enough for Obama ... including nationalizing our healthcare through budgetary trickery.

Maybe this rhetoric from Orszag has something to do with it. He says, "I just reject the theory that the only thing that drives economic performance is the marginal tax rate on wealthy Americans and the only way of being pro-market is to funnel billions and billions of dollars of subsidies to corporations."

Simply put ... what a jerk. Orszag seems to be every bit the anti-capitalist his boss is. Stand by for health care rationing my friends. For those of you who don't believe it could ever happen ... I would really like to be there when some half-assed government bureaucrat tells you that you just don't qualify for some medical procedure because there are others younger and more worthy than you who have longer to live and more to accomplish.

http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2009/03...ings-done.html

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 540484)

Transparency? It sure is change.
http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2009/03...ings-done.html

Boortz. :lol:

Why think for yourself, when pundits can do it for you?

You can't find out what is going on inside Washington if you don't read what others report. You can choose not to read it and look like the large bird with your head stuck in the sand. I choose to read it and learn what is going on from those in the know. I form my own opinions about it's impact.

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 540522)

You can't find out what is going on inside Washington if you don't read what others report.

Opinion is not "reporting", whether it be Boortz, Rhodes, Limbaugh, or Olbermann.

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 540522)

Its important to distinguish between "those in the know" who attempt to report objectively and "those in know" who attempt to pass off their opinion as factual.

To only read those with whom you might have a preconceived affinity is self-limiting.

The more sources and perspectives one reads, the more informed one becomes.

Absolutely. And I will keep an eye on the report that Obama plans to use this tactic with the Dems in Congress to pass their plans. So far I have no reason to believe they will not do so.

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 540484)

Transparency? It sure is change.

http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2009/03...ings-done.html

hmpft. After all the years and years and years of deregultion and tax cuts that benefit mainly the top percentage of the wealthy, we need some way to get things done, when we have a bunch of republicans who are bent on saying no to everything. jesus.

Listen to this interview Fareed Zacharia did with Martin Wolf, associate editor and chief economics commentator of the Financial Times:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes....wolf.intv.cnn

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9ebea1b8-f...077b07658.html