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Shawnee123 10-22-2008 03:30 PM

I know, but glatt did have a good point. Just sayin'

Besides, I know I'm never reasonable, and this is just one more venue for my unreasonableness. :)

All kidding aside (is that an allowed colloquialism?) I agree with you: I can't wait for the election to be over either. I see myself getting caught up in it, angry, argumentative, a real brat sometimes.

On one foot I love to see people get fired up over something so important. On the other foot I hate to see the feelings it causes. Some of us are just so passionate about it. That is good, and bad.

classicman 10-22-2008 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt (Post 496377)
So you are changing your position from post #87 of this thread where you saw no problem with the Republicans doing it, and only complained when the Democrats did it?

No.

lookout123 10-22-2008 03:38 PM

I love when people get fired up. Unfortunately we have passed the point in US history where US citizens will get fired up about the problem (the politicians) because they are too busy getting fired up over the symptoms (the hot buttons politicians push to gain power).

Obama's a douche who will not better your life in any meaningful way. If elected and alive he will stand before you in less than four years telling you to re-elect him so he can solve all our problems.

McCain's a douche who will not better your life in any meaningful way. If elected and alive he will stand before you in less than four years telling you to re-elect him so he can solve all our problems.

I'm not a big Palin fan, but I will say this - at least she hasn't made a career in the beltway. I would like the D's to find people like that. I would like the R's to find people like that. I would like to see the government of this country be comprised of individuals who actually do know what life is like in the world that you and I live in.

I'm not holding my breath.


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In my fantasy world Tom Clancy's scenario for a plane crashing in DC and taking out the president, most of congress, most of the senate, most of the supreme court is a possibility. Real people gain the opportunity to take up the empty seats and work towards the good of the nation rather than the good of the lobbyists. like I said, it's my fantasy world.

Shawnee123 10-22-2008 03:40 PM

Well NOW you're just pissing me off, you $#@%^&%*.

Just messin'

glatt 10-22-2008 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 496395)
No.

You aren't being very clear.

Do you think it's fine for Republicans, like those at Liberty University, to sign up more Republicans to vote?

bluecuracao 10-22-2008 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman (Post 496362)
No, monetary worth should have no bearing on ones desire or ability to vote. Its all part of being an American. I just prefer that those who actually want to and are motivated enough to vote do so instead of those who are pulled out of a trash can or whatever by some group whether it be R's or D's.

Pulled out of a trash can? Are you serious?

People who live on the street and in shelters have just as much right to vote as anyone else. Not every homeless person is mentally ill, and even then, there are varying degrees. Seriously, there are not a bunch of completely mentally incapacitated people living in "trash cans."

classicman 10-22-2008 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman (Post 490995)
I find this a very different set of circumstances - everyone knows what this school and Falwell are about. I cannot really see the comparison between this and picking people out of homeless shelters and off the streets.

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman (Post 496362)
Monetary worth should have no bearing on ones desire or ability to vote. Its all part of being an American. I just prefer that those who actually want to and are motivated enough to vote do so instead of those who are pulled out of a trash can or whatever by some group whether it be R's or D's.

Where am I unclear? In the first I disagreed that the two scenarios you put forth were comparable. In my latter post I simply reaffirmed my earlier position.

Shawnee123 10-22-2008 03:50 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you: Classicman Palin!

glatt 10-22-2008 03:52 PM

Do you think it's fine for Republicans, like those at Liberty University, to sign up more Republicans to vote?

classicman 10-22-2008 03:55 PM

yes, no - you see there are two questions there. Although, and I'll say it again to be clear, I do not view registering college students the same as registering people living on the street or in a shelter.

glatt 10-22-2008 04:01 PM

I'm not sure what "yes, no" means.

Are you saying that it's OK for Republicans, like those at Liberty University, to be signing up more Republicans to vote, but it's not OK for Democrats, like ACORN, to be signing up more Democrats, like the homeless people, to vote?

classicman 10-22-2008 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt (Post 496400)
You aren't being very clear.

Do you think it's fine for Republicans, to sign up more Republicans to vote?

Yes

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt (Post 496413)
signing up homeless people to vote?

no*

* These are predominantly votes that are garnered to simply skew elections on a one time basis. The college students are much more likely to be voting in future elections and will be more educated and informed voters.
My personal opinion is that everyone should be registered to vote while in High School which would eliminate virtually any need for these organizations, both D & R equivalents to exist.

Clodfobble 10-22-2008 08:52 PM

Many states have a "Motor Voter" law, which connects registration to renewing your driver's license. Everyone who drives is basically automatically registered unless they take the time to opt out for some reason.

xoxoxoBruce 10-23-2008 12:19 AM

Good idea, don't let those pedestrians, and bicycle riding hippies, vote. :haha:

smoothmoniker 10-23-2008 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 496421)
The college students are much more likely to be ... more educated and informed voters.

Horshit.


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