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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 321491)

Even if you do not believe that this has to do with Global Warming, it is what is the right thing to do and is the first step in moving toward eliminating needless pollution and removing our dependence on foreign oil and eventually on oil and coal as a fuel source.

As surprised as you might be RR, I have been pushing that same line for years, and I agree with you 100%. If you missed my old posts on Global Warming, I am a scientist, and have worked on a project for years, that collects all sorts of climate data and other scientist's research, and I have argued for years that it does not matter if cleaning up our daily waste creation and energy usage actually has a measurable affect within our life-time, it is still worth doing. I would rather live on a cleaner planet, than a trashed one. :thumb:

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 321807)

Bottom line is this. The developing economies like India and China would like nothing more than to see our country sign on to kyoto and sit back and watch as we further outsource and spend billions nation wide to meet the double standards they will never have to meet or spend money on to achieve ANY level of CO emissions that we will have to do.

So you don't think we'll be here by the time emerging economies have emerged?

I wonder why that might be.

Yes I know that's not exactly what you said, but really, why would they never have to meet the same standards? People in emerging economies are not the enemy. They're just doing the same thing developed countries have been doing for centuries...and in most cases still are.

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 321807)

Wow! You have not a clue. You never once bothered to learn from history. Those nations that innovated - that created solutions to previous environmental problems - then reaped massive profits both from less waste (more efficient industries) and from selling those innovations to all other nations. Amazing how TheMercenary so loves the status quo as to disparage innovation. Well, TheMercenary, innovation (not 'big dic' thinking) defined the patriotic American. You have just advocated communism - the stifling of innovation and maintaining status quo. Shame on you for posting without even learning from history. You have just advocated the destruction of the American economy. You actually hate innovation - or somehow know without first learning reality.

Well lets see how much knowledge your opinions are based in. Please tell us what the catalytic converter does. Since you so know India and China would love to see us innovate, then you learned from history – you can even tell us what a catalytic converter does. I await your demonstration of greater knowledge.

I think that's a pretty easy question to answer tw. You could have picked something a bit less simple to google.

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 321724)

You got that right. All gore uses the same amount of energy per month that my all electric 3000 square foot house uses in a year. Hipocrites everyone of them.:mad:

I hope you caught the last part.