Illegal ones, mostly shotguns and revolvers? That is really going to bum-out all the trap shooters out there. It is a very popular hobby.

So, we stop making all shotguns and .38 revolvers, criminals are going to go "damn, we can't use our favorites any more... guess we'll just stop shooting now", is that it?

Keep in mind, making guns illegal will do nothing, people will still make them. Especially patriots.

Because arbitrarily abrogating people's right to defend themselves isn't "civilized", and to call it that is begging the question.

The misinformation was the claim that criminals could "walk into Wally World and plop down a few bucks" and buy a firearm. "I didn't think" was the excuse offered for spreading that misinformation after the fact.

The assertion was misinformed, and repeating it spreads it. That's pretty clearly "spreading misinformation".

Of course, were we talking about George Bush, I could scream "He's a liar!" and all the BushBashers would nod sagely. Here my much more limited claim was "Shawnee is spreading misinformation", and your response is "Not really". :-)

Do you really believe passing a law forbidding any of those would make any significant difference? None of the groups you cite seem to be shy about violating US law. And the same is true of domestic criminals.

Speaking of, I saw this the other day, and it reminded me of you:

Misusing "begging the question" reminds me of grocer's apostrophes, "open all nite" signs, being unable to correctly use "affect" and "effect" or "loose" and "lose", or writing things like "for all intensive purposes".

That a usage is common doesn't make it correct. Claims that "the language is dynamic" are used too often to cover frank ignorance.

That some twit heard the phrase "begging the question" and assumed incorrectly that he knew what it meant doesn't actually create a new meaning identical with "raising the question".

Somehow I doubt we'd be better off using "petitio principii" in place of "begging the question".

Nice feint. The question was: are you afraid of those things. Are you?

Willingly becoming peaceful IS being civilized. Resolving conflict non-violently IS civilized.

Don't see anything about peace or lack of conflict. While you may find it desirable, it's not a part of being civilized.:cool:

I identify them as the ones trying to shoot innocent people.

Anyone who isn't wary around nail guns should probably rethink their position. Those things can be very dangerous...by accident even.

Your postiton is that it is uncivilized to defend yourself? I think that's nonsense. Me, I'm completely peaceful...except if attacked.

I'd like to see you "resolve conflict non-violently" with a mugger or a rapist. How quickly your facile platitudes would dissolve...

There are habits of behavior that should be followed around guns, be the nail guns or otherwise. The same is true of aircraft on the ground, be they jets or propeller.

The dangerous area around a gun is the direction it would discharge if fired--"where it's pointed", which is why one is at pains to keep all guns pointed in a safe direction. With a jet you need to stay out of the intake area at the front and the exhaust. The arc of an aircraft propeller should be avoided, even if the engine is not operating.

They may be loonies. Or they may simply be criminals.

There's a difference between insanity and ethical impairment.

And your point is?