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TheMercenary

05-26-2010 09:11 PM

Democrats set to consider $197 billion in unpaid-for ‘emergency spending’

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Democrats in Congress have added $173 billion in new spending to the federal deficit in just three months since they passed a law requiring that any new expenditures be offset by cuts elsewhere in the budget.

They will try this week to add another $197 billion in two separate measures. The House is expected to vote Wednesday on a package of extensions in government aid to unemployed Americans, Medicaid funding for states, and tax breaks that will add $134 billion to the $1.4 trillion deficit.

The Senate is expected to vote this week on a $63 billion supplemental spending bill. Half of that amount would go to the war in Afghanistan. The rest is for aid to Haiti, settlement of land claims with American Indians and discrimination claims of black farmers, compensation of war veterans exposed to Agent Orange, foreign aid to Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan, and replenishment of the government’s disaster relief fund.

Republicans, who oppose some of the spending outright, say that at the very least all but the $33 billion that the Pentagon needs to continue funding a surge of 30,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan should be offset by spending cuts.

“Anything that’s not directly related to fighting the wars should be paid for,” said Sen. John Thune, South Dakota Republican.

Some of the extenders bill is paid for. The extenders bill actually has a higher price tag than $134 bill, according to the Congressional Budget Office. The full cost is $174 billion. But the measure does create $40 billion in revenues.

So far, it appears that Democrats plan to escape their own rules that require them to offset all new spending by declaring the measures to be “emergency spending.”

New spending can also be offset by tax increases under what is known as pay-as-you-go rules, but Republicans oppose tax hikes most of the time and say the problem is too much spending. Many Democrats believe tax increases are necessary but realize that they are highly unpopular with voters.

Another $23 billion in emergency spending on the nation’s schools is waiting in the wings as well.

Aware that moves toward spending discipline are needed at a time when the national debt is approaching the $13 trillion mark and deficits are slated to add another $10 trillion to that over the next decade, President Obama on Monday proposed to Congress legislation that would allow him to pick items out of legislation sent to him by Congress and mark them for elimination. The measure would give Congress final veto power, however, over whether the president’s cuts are approved or rejected.

The measure is not expected to be passed by Congress.

When Congress passed PAYGO legislation in February saying they would not spend any more taxpayer money without cutting fat out of the budget elsewhere, Obama hailed lawmakers for committing the country to fiscal responsibility.

“The United States of America should pay as we go and live within our means again — just like responsible families and businesses do,” Obama said on Feb. 18, a few days after signing statutory PAYGO into law.

PAYGO was first enacted in 1990, with even stricter rules than the current law, but expired in 2002. When Democrats regained control of Congress in 2007 they put PAYGO rules in place but those did not carry the weight of law and were flouted constantly.

At a town hall meeting in New Hampshire two weeks before PAYGO passed, Obama said of the new law: “That’s how we’ll get our deficit under control.”

“That’s something that Democrats and Republicans should be able to agree to — if we could just stop playing politics, get past the Washington game,” Obama said.

Only not so much.

Since Congress passed PAYGO, Democrats have added $173 billion in new spending without cutting anything to offset it, according to a tally by Republicans in the Senate. Republican senators have on a few occasions tried to block the spending, but with almost no success.

Thune, the GOP’s chief deputy whip in the Senate, said that in particular when the extenders bill comes to the Senate later this week, “there isn’t anybody, I think, in our conference who is going to abide $150 billion in spending that’s going to be added to the debt.”

Thune suggested that unused and unobligated funds from the $787 billion stimulus bill, passed a year ago, be redirected to pay for the new spending.

The Obama administration and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Nevada Democrat, did not respond to requests for comment.

WTF

spudcon

05-27-2010 12:19 AM

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Wow Merc, that post was as long as one of TW's

Shawnee123

05-27-2010 09:18 AM

Well, except tw Writes his own Posts.

Spexxvet

05-27-2010 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 658675)

I agree, it will not. More smoke and mirrors by the Demoncratically controlled Congressional Whores, as it was with the Healthcare Reform and Stimulus Millions of Shovel Ready Jobs Package. A big fat FAIL as we are still at a near 10% unemployment rate. Elections are just around the corner folks. Vote the scumbags out.

Fail.

Cite.

Prove it.

Urbane Guerrilla

05-31-2010 05:29 AM

Life will prove Merc right, Spexx. As will the science of economics, one which you apparently have scant acquaintance with. Which means #364 was the blithering of an ignoramus and hence an idiot-by-choice.

"Emergency spending" is of course just as inflationary as any other deficit spending. Deficit spending debases the currency. That is inflation. The more deficit spending, the greater the inflation. Stop approving of that which will make your retirement plan worthless.

Now, if you think you have anything at all that actually proves Merc's got it wrong, you fucking cite for your position, you socialistic annoyance to all the adults.

TheMercenary

06-01-2010 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 658842)

Fail.

Cite.

Prove it.

http://cellar.org/showpost.php?p=658712&postcount=361

Flint

06-01-2010 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 659593)

Now, if you think you have anything at all that actually proves Merc's got it wrong, you fucking cite for your position, you socialistic annoyance to all the adults.

Whoah, buddy--watch the f-bombs there. Did words escape you (for one merciful moment)?

TheMercenary

06-04-2010 09:18 PM

Spend, spend, spend, spend, spend... now here comes the payback.

The Demoncrats are going to bankrupt your kids future.

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Congress is at it again, doing the only thing it seems to know how to do: spending more of the taxpayers' money. This time it is using a collection of popular "must-pass" tax provisions to hide huge new spending increases.

These provisions, better known as the "tax extenders," are a collection of about 45 long-established tax provisions—such as the R&D credit for businesses and the deductions for property taxes and tuition expenses for individuals—that expire each year unless Congress extends them. Congress has still not passed the tax extenders for 2010, leaving many taxpayers uncertain of whether they will be able to continue using tax reducers they have routinely factored into their long-term plans.

The pressure is on Congress to pass the tax extenders soon to provide businesses and individuals some stability for planning—at least for the remainder of the year. Not wanting to let an opportunity go to waste, Congress has larded the extenders bill (H.R. 4213) full of completely unrelated spending increases and tax hikes. According to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), the bill will increase spending by $174 billion[1] and increase taxes by more than $40 billion over 10 years. The result is an irresponsible increase of the cumulative deficit of $134 billion during the same period.

This latest exercise in congressional extravagance shows that Washington has still not received the message that the American people are tired of spending increases and tax hikes. Instead it continues to ignore warnings—from California to Greece, from Moody's to CBO—that continued runaway spending will lead to ruin. Better policy would have the tax provisions extended without adding unrelated or irresponsible spending increases to an otherwise necessary bill.

Higher Taxes

The CBO wrongly scores the yearly extension of the tax extenders as tax cuts.[2] As such, Congress has an excuse to raise other taxes because, under Pay-as-You-Go (PAYGO) budget rules currently in place, Congress must offset tax cuts with spending reductions or increases in other taxes. After just a few years of this unnecessary exercise, Congress is now out of relatively painless taxes to hike to "pay for" the extenders.

This is most evident with the distressing tax increase that Congress has chosen to pay for this year's extenders. H.R. 4213 would limit the foreign tax credits U.S. businesses can claim for income taxes paid to other countries. Congress is selling this change as a way to keep jobs in the U.S., but in reality it is an egregious tax hike that will drive more jobs overseas.[3]

If Congress passes H.R. 4213, the tax extenders will be retroactive for the 2010 tax year. In the near future Congress will have to go through this whole routine again to prevent steep tax increases for future tax years. The job-destroying reduction of the foreign tax credit shows that Congress is scraping the bottom of the barrel for tax hikes to offset the extenders. Even more injurious tax hikes could be on the way if Congress continues this annual tax hiking ritual.

More Spending

Beyond the tax extenders and the tax hikes to pay for them, Congress has added $174 billion in new spending that is not completely paid for. The spending largely involves extending the following four programs:

• Doctor Fix. H.R. 4213 still does not provide a permanent solution to the problem of low Medicare reimbursement rates for doctors. Congressional leaders removed this costly fix from their health care overhaul and instead have kicked the can down the road one more time. H.R. 4213 prevents reductions in Medicare reimbursement for doctors for only 2012 and 2013 at a cost of $63 billion. Senate leaders should get serious about a permanent fix of the Medicare reimbursement for doctors[4] once and for all and find some way to offset spending rather than adding the additional costs to the deficit.

• Unemployment Insurance Extension. Unemployment Insurance (UI) usually provides benefits for up to six months, with another three months available under the Extended Benefits program in high unemployment states. During this recession Congress has extended maximum UI benefits to almost two years (99 weeks) and made UI benefits slightly more generous. H.R. 4213 continues these extensions and expansion yet again through December 2010 at a cost of $47 billion. While extending UI to 99 weeks eases the financial pain of job loss as individuals look for scarce jobs in the recession, many workers with extended UI stay unemployed longer than those without UI. This measurably raises the unemployment rate. Congress can decide whether that is a worthwhile policy tradeoff. It is not, however, economic stimulus.

• Another Medicaid Bailout. H.R. 4213 would continue to use federal taxpayer funds to bail out state Medicaid programs at a cost of $24 billion. Medicaid is crippling state budgets, but the solution is not to transfer the cost to the federal taxpayers. Instead, Congress should get serious about Medicaid reform and grant states the flexibility they need to fix the program.[5]

• COBRA or Nothing. H.R. 4213 would give premium relief only to those unemployed workers who opt for COBRA coverage. It is well documented that COBRA coverage is one of the most expensive options available to those who lose their jobs.[6] Workers would be better served if they were able to decide whether to use this temporary assistance on COBRA or to use another, more affordable option, including policies available in the individual market. Nevertheless, H.R. 4213 would extend COBRA benefits through December 2010 at a cost of $7.8 billion.

These four spending provisions cost a total $142 billion over 10 years. To sneak these spending hikes through, Congress sidestepped its own PAYGO budget rules by designating most it as emergency spending. This is further proof that PAYGO budgeting rules do not inhibit congressional spending and have no impact on lowering the deficit. PAYGO is at best a convenient excuse for Congress to raise taxes.

Bad Policies

Costly spending increases and unnecessary tax hikes are not the only problems with H.R. 4213. The bill also sets other bad policy precedents, including:

More State Bailouts. Included in the $174 billion of new spending is over $31 billion in bailouts for the states. This includes Build America Bonds ($4 billion) and Recovery Zone Bonds ($2.4 billion) that subsidize state infrastructure expenditures, the $24 billion Medicaid bailout described above, and assorted other transfers to the states. In total, the state bailouts comprise 18 percent of the entire bill. That does not include an additional $23 billion that the Obama Administration wants added to the bill to stop state and local governments from laying off 300,000 teachers.[7]

TheMercenary

06-04-2010 09:18 PM

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State governments have spent above their means for years. Further bailouts from Washington will only delay the inevitable: States must cut back on spending to more sustainable levels. In the short term, more money from Washington only incentivizes states to continue spending well above what they can afford as Congress continues to cover for their profligacy.

It is time for Congress to stop facilitating the reckless spending of the states. Postponing the day of reckoning any longer is throwing good taxpayer money after bad and makes choices even harder for the states.

Premature Action on Oil Spill. The Oil Pollution Act of 1990 sets out the means by which the federal government leads oil spill cleanup efforts and pays for the costs. Generally, the responsible party—in the current case, BP—is on the hook for all the cleanup costs, plus up to $75 million in compensation for damages. Beyond the $75 million, an oil spill liability trust fund created via a tax on oil provides an additional $1 billion per event. H.R. 4213 raises this amount to $5 billion and increases the tax from 8 cents per barrel to 32 cents to fund it. Raising the cap may be reasonable, though the tax increase is excessive and premature.

At this early stage, too few facts are in regarding the oil spill for legislative measures to make sense. And in any event, new laws would not affect ongoing cleanup activities, so there is no reason to rush. Once the facts are in, some changes to oil spill laws may be warranted—but now is not the time to increase taxes on energy. And certainly not in a tax extenders bill.

Defined Benefit Pension Funding Rules. A traditional or defined benefit (DB) pension plan pays retired workers a set benefit, usually a percentage of their pre-retirement income for every year that the worker was employed by the company. The financial health of private-sector DB pensions depends on regular contributions, investment earnings that reach at least a predicted level, and retirees living (and thus receiving benefits) as long as expected. Prior to 2006, when funding rules were tightened, employers were able to avoid cash contributions and could raise promised benefits even if the plan was seriously underfunded.

Because of the recession, certain employers may have to lay off additional workers in order to fully fund their pension plans. The pension relief sections of H.R. 4213 temporarily ease funding requirements for both single-employer and multi-employer pension plans to give them more time to rebuild losses from 2008 and after. At the same time, they still restrict plans from increasing benefits unless the increases are fully and separately funded. This combination is appropriate for the circumstances, but additional pressures for yet more funding relief should be resisted so that the days of irresponsible funding decisions and unpaid-for benefit increases cannot return.

Extension of Temporary Assistance for Needy Families. Included in the extenders package is a $2.5 billion extension of the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) emergency fund. The Senate beat back an earlier attempt to include this provision in the FY 2011 budget; however, House leadership has managed to include it in the conference agreement. If passed, this would undo the historic welfare reform of 1996.

The TANF Emergency Fund, originally created as part of the stimulus package, was meant as a "temporary" measure. The President, and now Congress, are intent on extending it another year. This anti-reform fund would pay states for increasing their welfare caseloads, providing no incentive to help people into jobs.[8] Such action would completely reverse the successful 1996 reform that helped to move millions of families out of poverty and into self-sufficiency. President Obama has sought to curb this success in the name of "stimulus." His FY 2011 budget aims to extend this program for another year at a price of $2.5 billion.

Stick to Basics

Before H.R. 4213, the tax extenders were already a yearly occasion for Congress to raise taxes under the guise of faux fiscal discipline. Congress has now taken this one step further by using the tax extenders as vehicle to significantly increase spending and the deficit. It is time for Congress to make the tax extenders permanent so it cannot use their annual extension to increase the size of government.

Congress should make all the provisions in the tax extenders that are good policy permanent[9] and allow the ones that are not to expire. It should then cut other taxes to make sure the reforms are revenue-neutral. If it takes these steps, Congress will have one less way to raise taxes and sneak through this kind of irresponsible spending increase in the future.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...FTSecondBucket

Spexxvet

06-05-2010 09:41 AM

http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GDP.gif

TheMercenary

06-07-2010 08:11 PM

Did this person just say something important?

classicman

06-07-2010 11:06 PM

http://zfacts.com

TheMercenary

06-15-2010 05:40 PM

Vote the bums out. This Congress needs to be stopped at all costs before they take over every aspect of our lives.

Politicizing the Fed
Congress seeks more control over the 12 regional banks.

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For 97 years the 12 regional banks of the Federal Reserve system have operated relatively free of political interference from Washington. The looming financial reform bill threatens that independence, not least through an effort to impose new presidential appointees at the regional banks.

The biggest underreported threat comes from Subtitle I, Section 1801 of the House financial reform bill titled "Inclusion of Minorities and Women; Diversity in Agency Workforce." Sponsored by California Democrat Maxine Waters, the provision requires each federal financial agency, the Fed Board of Governors and the 12 regional Fed banks to "establish an Office of Minority and Women Inclusion."

So what else is new, you say? Don't the feds already dictate racial and gender hiring? Yes, they do, through the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and assorted other federal laws. As a matter of racial and gender diversity, the Waters provision is at best redundant.

But Ms. Waters and the House are hunting bigger game—to wit, the political allocation of credit. They want to put a network of operatives at the highest level of government who are responsible for making sure that regulators put the hiring of, and lending to, minorities at the top of their priority list. The House provision makes that very clear by making each diversity officer a Presidential appointee who must be confirmed by the Senate. The post, says the bill, will be "comparable to that of other senior level staff."

The law says this diversity czar will "ensure equal employment opportunity and the racial, ethnic and gender diversity" of the work force and senior management of these institutions. More ominously, this creature of Congress and the White House will also be charged with "increas[ing] the participation of minority-owned and women-owned businesses in the programs and contracts" of each agency and conducting "an assessment" of stated inclusion goals.

Mull over that one for a minute. Having recently lived through a financial mania and panic caused in part by political pressure for "affordable housing," Congress will now order regulators to allocate credit by race and gender. Isn't the point of this financial reform supposed to be to make regulators better judges of systemic risks, which means focusing on financial safety and soundness? If the Waters provision passes, federal regulators will have to put racial and gender lending at the top of their watch list when they do their checks on the banks and hedge funds they are regulating.

This is especially pernicious at the Fed regional banks, which have long operated independently of political intrusion. Federal Reserve bank presidents aren't appointed by the President precisely to avoid Treasury and White House control. They are appointed by their regional bank boards.

However, in another threat to Fed independence, the Senate bill departs from that tradition by making the president of the New York Fed a Presidential appointee. Blame for this Congressional intrusion goes to Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and former Goldman Sachs executive Stephen Friedman for orchestrating the selection of former Goldman economist William Dudley as Mr. Geithner's replacement at the New York Fed.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...299281828.html

TheMercenary

06-16-2010 08:10 PM

They are about to fuck up every aspect of your personal lives.

Join now to vote the Bums Out!

The Demoncrats Have to GO!

TheMercenary

06-18-2010 03:43 PM

Another fine example of the Demoncratic waste of taxpayer dollars in the guise of "stimulus". They should all be kicked out of office.

Mohegan Sun Casino Owners Received $54 Million In Stimulus Money

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mohega...ry?id=10889408

xoxoxoBruce

06-18-2010 05:44 PM

It's a loan. MS had committed to financing half of one of the proposed Philly casinos, but the recession put them in a bind because of decreased revenue streams. I can't tell if you're purposely misconstruing the facts, or just don't know what's going on.

TheMercenary

06-18-2010 06:11 PM

I am not purposely misconstruing anything. I was just posting it for discussion. To me it is nothing more than another of number of hundreds of examples that discredits the Obama Administration and the billions of dollars of taxpayer dollars that have been wasted. Nothing more.

TheMercenary

06-24-2010 10:49 AM

Why the hell would Pelosi feel she needs to do this in the first place?

Pelosi asks for donations to fend off potential GOP investigations

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...investigations

Happy Monkey

06-24-2010 11:18 AM

Because of what they did to Clinton. Years of investigations, and all they found was something he did during the investigation itself.

classicman

06-24-2010 11:39 AM

Because she doesn't want to be constantly dealing with a bunch of (in her opinion) bogus lawsuits that are nothing but impediments to actually getting productive legislation passed.

TheMercenary

06-24-2010 12:35 PM

But isn't that business as usual for majority Congress persons when they take control?

classicman

06-26-2010 10:11 PM

On a side note, I read this somewhere and thought it was an interesting concept.

*Congresspeople and senators shall contribute to social security just the same as the rest of us

* they are covered (or not) by Medicare, and contribute just the same as we who are forced by law to do so

* Since they aren't be in Washington all that long, they can be private contractors (you know, 1099 at the end of the year)

* their platinum parachute retirements are significantly down scaled

* if ANY sitting President, Senator, Representative, or federal appointed bureaucrat is found guilty of NOT having their federal or state taxes current, they a) are prosecuted by the IRS and b) they lose their job and are NEVER eligible for a federal position again, AND they lose their federal retirement.

* If we find out that they broke the law during their terms, they will lose their federal retirement benefits."

What say you?

TheMercenary

06-27-2010 08:07 PM

Pelosi is going DOWN!

Happy Monkey

06-28-2010 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman (Post 666718)

On a side note, I read this somewhere and thought it was an interesting concept.

*Congresspeople and senators shall contribute to social security just the same as the rest of us

They do.

Shawnee123

06-28-2010 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 666882)

Pelosi is going DOWN!

Don't worry, from your viewpoint it'll look a lot like the blowjobs you're used to getting. :lol2:

classicman

06-28-2010 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 667009)

They do.

Good - I couldn't find that on snopes... I'm interested to hear opinions on the rest of it. I guess the issue is should they be held accountable or to "a higher standard" ... that sort of thing.

TheMercenary

07-04-2010 08:08 AM

This woman is wacked. What a dumb assed statement:

Pelosi: Unemployment Checks Fastest Way to Create Jobs

http://www.breitbart.tv/pelosi-unemp...o-create-jobs/

TheMercenary

07-04-2010 11:41 AM

Not part of Congress but this dumb ass is no better...

Michael Steele under fire over Afghanistan remarks

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul...teele-20100703

classicman

07-16-2010 10:35 AM

One solution around the legislative gridlock might be for the Senate to take up legislation first, rather than the House.

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"People have to understand things always take longer in the Senate. Potentially, we could let some of these items start in the Senate and then go over to the House. That might be a very good solution to our problem. Because then the Senate would send the House something that's already bipartisan, and they could work to build the support they need. Maybe we should try that, because everything gets passed in the House and comes here. It would be better if we started and sent things over there."
Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.)

What a novel idea. . . .

TheMercenary

07-23-2010 08:47 PM

John Kerry, rockin in a free world.... :lol:

Sen. John Kerry skips town on sails tax

http://bostonherald.com/track/inside...icleid=1269698

TheMercenary

07-23-2010 09:20 PM

Screw Rangel, frigging criminal wants special treatment.

Rangel Speaks, and Asks for Time

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...s-for-time/?hp

Spexxvet

07-28-2010 08:39 AM

The republicans increased our national debt and nixxed finance reform on the same day. They must be proud.

classicman

07-28-2010 01:03 PM

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Two of the three firms providing legal counsel to Rep. Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y., in his pending ethics cases are lobbying firms. In fact, one firm, Oldaker, Belair & Wittie, conducts much of Rangel's political fundraising, while operating four different lobby shops.

But who's ultimately paying Rangel's legal bills? Mostly corporate and union political action committees along with individual lobbyists. Over the past six months, PACs and lobbyists have accounted for a majority of the money Rangel's campaign has raised this year, not counting transfers from Rangel's other fundraising operations (more on them below).

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Ahhhh Rangel nice guy. He who has been taking care of his wall street buddies for so long is now being repaid (sorta) for his true loyalties.
Another POS who has been in power too long. Shackle him up and throw him out.
Its sickening that these "lobbyists" can not only buy politicians, but that after their true colors are shown, they still benefit by defending them, both monetarily and politically. Fuckin shell game is what it is. So glad things have changed in Washington - NOT.

Shawnee123

07-28-2010 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 673207)

The republicans increased our national debt and nixxed finance reform on the same day. They must be proud.

Proud and bitchy!

TheMercenary

07-29-2010 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 673278)

Man, they sure have seemed to circle the wagons around him to protect him in Congress. If it was a republickin they would be building a gallows in front of the halls of Congress.

classicman

07-30-2010 01:29 PM

Grayson bills taxpayers for DVD of term's highlights

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Thanks to perks given to all members of Congress, it's not Grayson's campaign but taxpayers who footed the nearly $73,000 bill to produce and mail the DVD to 100,000 homes in Grayson's district of Lake, Marion, Orange and Osceola counties.

It's a stunt that drew howls from Republicans, who complained that Grayson was abusing the congressional privilege of franking that allows lawmakers to send taxpayer-paid newsletters and other mail to residents.

"This is an outrageous abuse of taxpayer dollars, and it goes to show that Alan Grayson is completely out of touch with Central Florida," said state Rep. Kurt Kelly of Ocala, one of seven Republicans looking to unseat Grayson this fall.

"This is just ridiculous behavior. What congressman would do this in the face of a huge budget deficit?" he asked.

What a douche. But dayum - gotta give him credit - he sure learned quickly.

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Since taking office, Grayson has used speeches and hearings to loudly attack everything that he sees as wrong with America — including giant corporations, financial leaders and Republicans.

He's best known for a floor speech in which he says the Republican health-care plan was for sick patients to "die quickly," although Grayson aides were quick to note that the health-care quip was not included on the DVD.

"If we were self-serving, we would have put that one on there," Jurkowski said.

ZZZZZZZZZZZing!! !!! !!!!

TheMercenary

08-01-2010 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 673278)

This GD Criminal just got off. No racial preference there! Now if Maxine Waters gets off the Demoncrats will have proved for once and all that they are no different than the Republickins. You people who call yourself Dem should be frigging ashamed. And the beat goes on...

classicman

08-01-2010 05:53 PM

This could NOT continue - It's an election year! C'mon Merc, did you really think they were gonna let this drag on into Nov?

ETA

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Democrats could make a real statement by drumming both Rangel and Waters out of the House, but they won't.
No doubt the private thought of most members on both sides is probably something like: "There, but for the grace of God, go I."

But before Republicans go gloating, it should be noted for those with short memories that after Tom DeLay was admonished by the Ethics Committee in 2004, the Republican leadership replaced their Ethics Committee Members, fired the Committee Staff Director, Chief Counsel, & Spokesperson, and changed the rules to make it easier to kill any ethics investigations.
At least in these two cases, Democrats are willing to investigate our own when they go wrong.

TheMercenary

08-01-2010 06:00 PM

Exactly why Pelosi should just commit Hari Kari.

Lamplighter

08-03-2010 10:43 AM

TheMercenary

08-04-2010 05:02 AM

I wonder if they serve them at their lunch parties.

classicman

08-13-2010 01:20 PM

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Waters, a senior member of the House Financial Services Committee, helped arrange a meeting in September, 2008, between Massachusetts-based OneUnited Bank and Treasury Department officials, according to ethics investigators.

OneUnited Bank ultimately received $12 million in bailout funds.

According to the report, Waters' husband owned almost 4,000 shares of OneUnited stock at the time of the meeting. The shares had declined in value from more than $350,000 in June to $175,000 at the end of September.

"A meeting was in fact granted, however, the discussion at the meeting focused on a single bank -- OneUnited. Rep. Waters' husband had been a board member of the bank from 2004 to 2008 and, at the time of the meeting, was a stock holder of the bank," the report said.

The report released Monday stated that Waters "agreed to refrain from advocating on behalf of OneUnited," but failed to instruct her chief of staff, Mikael Moore, from doing so.

Following the September 9 meeting between Treasury and National Bankers Association officials, Moore "was actively involved in assisting OneUnited representatives with their request for capital from Treasury and crafting legislation to authorize Treasury to grant the request" for financial assistance, the report said.

"Reasonable" people could construe Moore's "continued involvement in assisting OneUnited as the dispensing of special favors or privileges to OneUnited," the report concluded.

Waters refuted that allegation as well Tuesday.

"If you're going to wrap this all around creating these violations because I failed to supervise my staff, it doesn't hold water, they don't have any proof of that and I maintain that I want to go to trial or whatever they want to call it -- adjudicatory hearing -- because I think I don't deserve this," she said.

Sounds reasonable... not really. Sounds like more well-connected political games.
Oh and Mikael Moore is her grandson.

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Moore is the son of Edward Waters, one of the congresswoman's two children, both of whom were noted in a 2004 Los Angeles Times story about money the family has made by doing business with companies and candidates the congresswoman has helped.

more and more all over the net.

Urbane Guerrilla

08-13-2010 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 673207)

The republicans increased our national debt and nixxed finance reform on the same day. They must be proud.

What silly-assed spin. You have not considered how much smaller the national debt would be had that so-called health care reform bill been voted down. That passage in and by itself was the making of many trillions of debt obligations. The Party of Adult Supervision -- the Repubs, for the Dems have eschewed adult thought for decades -- says this is not a good thing.

I agree, of course, for unlike some thoughtless types around here, I get that government deficits drive inflation. Large government deficit drives inflation harder. Few here seem to acknowledge that.

Destroy government-owned national health care root and branch, and destroy deficit spending with it. This is what the adults think; if you disagree, you're no adult, but just a sort of enlarged, aged child. In fewer words, you're a leftist. How abominable, not to be adult.

TheMercenary

08-14-2010 05:43 PM

Socialist Party of America reveals list of Dems as memebers.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...erica_rev.html

Lamplighter

08-14-2010 06:15 PM

I went to a "transition luncheon" one time and the out-going Director thanked a particular person for their contributions.

Then there was a major embarrassment when the in-coming Director also thanked the the same person for contributions.

The audience loved it !

ZenGum

08-14-2010 07:45 PM

UG, if you want to look like an adult, cut back on the name calling, it looks very juvenile.

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Destroy government-owned national health care root and branch, and destroy deficit spending with it.

And are you really claiming that without gov't health care, there would be no deficit? :eyebrow:

TheMercenary

08-15-2010 10:08 AM

I think he is just saying it would be smaller, but just not really saying it.

xoxoxoBruce

08-15-2010 09:06 PM

Not all Congressmen are dicks.

classicman

08-16-2010 08:11 AM

Good for him. :thumb:

He'll probably get shit for it somehow

classicman

08-16-2010 01:12 PM

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WASHINGTON—Apparently the Senate can work quickly after all. You just have to limit it to two senators.

On Thursday, the chamber approved a $600 million border-security bill in 31 minutes, from opening gavel to final passage. While their colleagues were enjoying a summer recess, Sen. Chuck Schumer flew in from New York and Sen. Ben Cardin drove his Pontiac from Baltimore to represent the entire Senate in the cavernous chamber.

Sens. Charles Schumer, above, and Ben Cardin were the only senators present for passage of a border-security bill on Thursday.

Mr. Schumer delivered the opening (and closing) speech, while Mr. Cardin sat in the presiding official's chair. Mr. Schumer told his fellow Democrat that he hoped the border bill, which provides 1,500 additional border agents, would "clear the path" for talks on revamping the nation's immigration rules.

"I urge my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to join in this important task,"
he added, looking around at 99 empty seats.

The New York Democrat proposed passing the bill by "unanimous consent," meaning it would become law as long as no one objected.
Mr. Cardin asked the empty room if anyone did, and, not surprisingly, response came there none.
Just like that, the bill was on its way to the president's desk.

From WSJ

Are we really this stupid? really? Or do they just act this way for another reason.

Griff

08-16-2010 01:33 PM

That was the War Street Journal, the Times is more forgiving.

For his part, Mr. Schumer told reporters that the top Republican staff member on the Senate floor told him that his job was to ensure that the Democrats did no more than accomplish the session’s agreed-upon goals. Otherwise, Mr. Schumer said, “An actual fit to stop the proceedings.”

Both the Senate and the House had already passed the border measure – the House when it temporarily returned earlier this week to clear an aid package for states and school districts. But because of a jurisdictional issue, the Senate needed to act again, paving the way for Thursday’s session. (The only other time the Senate unexpectedly reconvened during the summer recess was after Hurricane Katrina in 2005, according to Betty K. Koed, an associate Senate historian.)

Lamplighter

08-16-2010 01:36 PM

That's hutzpah for you !

But it's only $600M - chump change in DC

TheMercenary

08-17-2010 08:46 PM

Schumer is one of the biggest cocksuckers in Congress.... Please, you actually believe something this scumbags says??!!

Griff

08-18-2010 10:00 AM

I am not aware of Schumer having any cocksucker baggage (not that there's anything wrong with that). You do realize that someone could hold to different political beliefs than you without being evil... right? It took me a long time to learn that lesson. W is not evil, his (crazy imho) world-view is just not compatible with mine. As I watch the irrational hatred of Obama rise, I have to remind myself of my earlier problem with W. Corruption is another matter if you have some knowledge of that please share it.

ZenGum

08-19-2010 05:00 AM

Reading Griff's post, I took it that Schumer was a Republican ... which made me surprised when Merc bagged him. Did I miss something?

Griff

08-19-2010 07:12 AM

That is some odd writing on my part, I probably lost you when I wandered into my own beliefs about W. Schumer is a Democrat who appears to hold to, the now old-fashioned, collegial atmosphere in the Senate.

Shawnee123

08-19-2010 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 677454)

Reading Griff's post, I took it that Schumer was a Republican ... which made me surprised when Merc bagged him. Did I miss something?

Oh no, Schumer is a demoncrat. All is right in the world. :D

ZenGum

08-19-2010 08:02 AM

Except that I have wandered into - not merely the politics forum, but a purely US oriented thread. WTF am I doing here? Let me out! It burns, it burns!

Shawnee123

08-19-2010 09:06 AM

GET OUT.[/amityville horror]

TheMercenary

08-21-2010 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 677459)

In the end you will be butt fucked by your party. :lol:

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