Not what I meant... martinis are gin drinks. There are no vodka martinis or damn apple liqueur martinis.

ah. thx

4 oz gin
1 drop of dry vermouth
2 olives.

What you described is a dirty martini with waaaaaaaaay too much vermouth and too many olives.

You don't see a lot of people having gimlets anymore

The best martini is made by pouring the contents of one bottle of Jose Cuervo Tradicional into a shot glass. Repeat as necessary.

freak olympics for the steroid users. that would entertainment, and new records would set :

man with biggest tits.

man with smallest willy.

woman with biggest clitoris.

woman with most facial hair.

woman with deepest voice.

then all the sports records.

TV at its best!

Gene Roddenberry was the creator of star trek. :)

And yea he did walk upon the earth and did direct our eyes unto the stars :P

And he had a wonderful vision of the future full of peace and no poverty for humankind. But somehow we went to war with klingons and the dominion. :(

Yeah.....bloody war mongering federation types.

The federation shouldn't have elected george bush the XXI :p

LoL. Very good duckling

To take this thread off course for a moment. What do you think would happen if we as a people found a way to travel to the stars? What would we do if we meet a civilization that is less advanced? Would we exploit and destroy or study and learn?

I'm guessing exploit and inadvertantly destroy by trying to transpose our values upon them. Good question.

Then we should stay home. I asked that question based on the model of european exploration and colonization. The effect on native populations was devastating.

yes it was. The Scramble for Africa was a very shameful period in European history. In the Congo, Leopold's regime committed crimes of epic proportion ( as did many other nations including my own). Women were taken hostage in incredible numbers to force their men to work harvesting rubber. The men were chained, and flogged and generally treated like slaves. If they didn't hit their targets, the inhabitants of whole villages were dragged out and had their right hands chopped off. It was so prevalent that in Belgian museums, statues of black people often had a hand missing. Hundreds of thousands of people lost their hands. men, women and children.

Leopold even had a fake village made in belgium within a zoolike enclosure and transported some congalese to live in it. Visitors used to come and watch the congalese in their 'natural habitat' There was a keeper and signs telling visitors not to throw peanuts at the exhibits.

because the men of the villages were busy harvesting rubber and the women were being held prisoner, nobody was able to fulfil the usual tasks of tending crops and animals, so there was huge famine. Tens of millions of congalese died across a period of about 25 years because of these policies.

It's an unfortunately common story for the European Scramble for Africa. The forgotten genocides. The germans' first concentration camps were in Africa. They decapitated their victims and used their heads to try and prove racial suprmemacy. Many heads ended up in european museums or in private collections.

We quite rightly remember the Holocaust. With good reason we say 'Never Forget'. But at the same time we seem to have the attitude of 'never remember' when it comes to the millions upon millions of africans who died at european hands during that dreadful era. Not so long ago. Congolese men were still harvesting rubber and being flogged or having their hands cut off in the early part of the 20th century. German scientists were perfecting their theories of racial hierarchy using african subjects a little over twenty years before Auschwitz was liberated. Incidentally, one of the 'scientists' who worked in the field over there, set up an institute (can't recall the name now) dedicated to investigating eugenics. The institute was partially funded by American money.

Perhaps we remember the Holocaust because it was something white europeans did to other white europeans. But the crimes against humanity in Africa were committed by White Europeans against non white Europeans.

The American writer Adam Hochschild, in his book about Leopold, refers to it as the Great Forgetting

Then we all pulled out in with varying degrees of incompetance across a fairly long period and left the continent to sort out its own problems. Whilst moralising about how corrupt they are and how they have shouldn't have so many children if they can't feed em :P

There ya go. There's an unpopular opinion.

To each his own...
 

...rkzenrage...you take your martini your way, I'll take my martini...with some vermouth, and olives. And by the way, stirred, not shaken.

What about the native american populations that have died? Both in north and south? The spanish wiped out entire cvilizations in the americas. The english, dutch, french and later the mexicans and americans continued this.

Absolutely. Yet another genocide we do not strongly seek to remember.

The point in me bringing this up is will we as a species do these things on other worlds?

Shaking them "bruises" the vermouth.
Though, I used to have a method where I would spritz the cold glass with vermouth and place it back in the freezer.
I would make an ice slick of vermouth that would slowly melt into the gin and olives/juice.
Then you could shake-spin the crap out of the gin and get it so cold ice crystals would form. In Sapphire, this, with the ice sheet on the glass, this was a beautiful drink.

I also made one with homemade cranberry liqueur (made from only gin, sugar, cranberries, time and much straining). Blood-red and very tasty.

Edit: and I only use, cold, Spanish giant queen olives or Texas Pete's hot pickled okra (to DIE for).
Bruising means you don't get the separation of flavors, the gin and vermouth separate on the palate. Bruised, the drink is cloudy, not only in color but in flavor as well... I would not drink a bruised martini unless it was the only thing to drink. It tasted like strange water.

The only time I have ever place the gin and vermouth in the same container before the glass was mixing in a pitcher and placing in a freezer or fridge. Usually I had a spritzer, like what hair dressers use on your hair, filled with vermouth and some juice of olive or Pete's hot okra juice to spray in my glass before placing it in a freezer.

There is only one race.

There is a double standard on accusations of double standards in America.

Thankyou. At least when i say i don't like star trek i can say i know who created it, you have lessened my ignorance

I'm not a martini aficionado, but it reminds me of another unpopular opinion of mine. Bottled water tastes like crap. Every time I taste it, I wonder why is everyone drinking this? It tastes like plastic.

Don Imus was fired for the ugly true things he said about Clinton and Bush not the ugly false things he said about the Rutgers' women.

If human beings ever come across another humanlike species they think they can dominate they'll do it.

Man has learned nothing.

rkzenrage, way back in post #95, I said:

You've said the same thing, only much more efficiently.

Yeah. He kind of has that whole efficiency thing down to a tee:P

OK, I'm with you on the Spanish Olives, and I'll try the vermouth ice slick with the spritzer trick...and I'd like to try the hot pickled okra, but I don't think it's available here in W Pa...at least I have not seen it. I have tried jalapeños, and that's a nice variation.

Just saw this...and completely agree...the only martinis are GIN martinis...vodka is just so...bland...and apple? Chocotinis? Why not drop in a scoop of ice cream? Dear god that sounds more like desert than a cocktail. Besides, I just don't think apples and olives can coexist in the same glass, ditto chocolate and olives.

yeah. you like a martini. you're not 'people'

i think it's the fault of the bars and bartenders for giving a drink that is made of different ingredients the same name because it comes in the same kind of glass.

if it is made of apple liquor, vodka and vermouth....and it comes in a tumbler, what do you call it? apple martinis are only called that because of the glass.

atleast we stop the communie bastards

All people are basically the same inside. To prove this requires nothing more than a potato peeler.

More proof that Gene is Dead.

Don Imus' current allotment of 15 minutes has *nothing* to do with Free Speech or inhibitions of Free Speech.

Agreed.

Almost any use of the label "Political Correctness" is just another attempt to get away with bad manners by ridiculing politeness and consideration.

Everyone is at least a little bit racist and sexist.

Our culture ought to be in the process of reassuring men that they don't have to act like they stepped out of a beer commercial.

English spelling is in need of simplification.

Anyone who argues that we must preserve existing spellings in English so we can see the history of words is talking bunk because they cannot explain why basic spelling history is never taught in the classroom.

Everyone should eat meat no more than five times a week. The resources used to make the protein for one meat meal can also be used to make the protein for twelve vegetarian meals.

Not enough is being done to promote vegetarian cuisine.

Maggots, leeches and intestinal worms will play a bigger role in medicine in the future.

Steam power is a viable propulsion technology for vehicles. Governments don't like steam-powered vehicles because steam power is not particular about its energy source and therefore steam-powered vehicles can run on any combustible material that is put in the tank. This makes it harder to tax them.

yes it is.

Everyone should eat meat no more than five times a week. The resources used to make the protein for one meat meal can also be used to make the protein for twelve vegetarian meals.

Who's going to eat 12 vego meals just to get the same benefit they get from 1 meat meal?

Guns should be banned in america.

you beat me to it. yet another school shooting. it's tragic and unnecessary.

"Banning" guns would stop this how?
No, no... nope... gotta' remove ALL freedom! Really get safe!

Democracy is not the only option.

Democracy is a terrible option. No true American wants democracy.

..... for themselves....


it is, however, a nice rallying call when it comes to depose the odd dictactor or two...

right on sista, :love:

arguing is useless

it is not.

Hear, hear!

arguing is useless

BS !!!!, it is what makes the Cellar the Cellar !!!!!

Folks 'round here will argue about most ANY THING !!!

Nah it isn't useless, it just leads to getting called names and insulted when you disagree with somebody or have an unpopular opinion.

butterflies are free

peanut butter is made from peanuts

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I think 99% of people should die a horrible, horrible death. I am part of the 1% who doesn't die.

You're completely insane and probably should have been locked up a long time ago. I LIKE that in a poster. ;)

Everyone around here seems to like me =)

I dunno, go read my last post in the "Commonly Mispronounced" thread. If you were within arms reach about 5 minutes ago I would have knocked some of your teeth out.

Okay, fine, everyone save one.

Well, one of the past mes anyway. My homicidal rages are short.

You have at least a passing interest in Linux, so I'll forgive you basically anything.