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elSicomoro 06-06-2004 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by OnyxCougar
Well, to be a Christian, you have to believe that the Bible is the Word of God. You either believe that or you don't.
I disagree. The core concept of Christianity is the that Jesus Christ is the son of God.

(EDIT: Changed some of the words I used.)

OnyxCougar 06-06-2004 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by sycamore


I disagree. The real basis for Christianity is the belief that Jesus Christ is the son of God.
But if it wasn't for the bible, how do you know?

Carbonated_Brains 06-06-2004 01:33 PM
Maybe the Bible is a set of accounts and philosophical guidelines, rather than God dictating to a bunch of blokes.

How is that so hard to comprehend?

elSicomoro 06-06-2004 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by OnyxCougar
But if it wasn't for the bible, how do you know?
Word of mouth

OnyxCougar 06-06-2004 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by Carbonated_Brains
Maybe the Bible is a set of accounts and philosophical guidelines, rather than God dictating to a bunch of blokes.

How is that so hard to comprehend?
Your idea isn't hard to comprehend.

Why is the thought that the Holy Spirit told these people what to write and protected it so hard to comprehend?

It's not comprehension that is the problem. It's what you believe.

If a bunch of guys sat down and wrote a bunch of stories, why should Christians follow any of it? Why should anyone believe ANY of it? At what point does allegory and parable separate itself from the stuff that really happened?

But if God inspired all those people, and it really is the infallible word of God, shouldn't all Christians follow it as such? If it is a literal and historical document, to be completely trusted, then it becomes a manual for God, and becomes above the level of man and his fallible nature.

OnyxCougar 06-06-2004 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by sycamore


Word of mouth
From who's mouth?

elSicomoro 06-06-2004 01:43 PM
Priests/ministers/reverends/whatever

elSicomoro 06-06-2004 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by Carbonated_Brains
Maybe the Bible is a set of accounts and philosophical guidelines, rather than God dictating to a bunch of blokes.

How is that so hard to comprehend?
Catholics actually take a contextual interpretation of the Bible. That is, they do not take it word-for-word.

OnyxCougar 06-06-2004 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by sycamore


Catholics actually take a contextual interpretation of the Bible. That is, they do not take it word-for-word.
I agree. And Catholics also do a bunch of stuff, IMO that is wrong, according to the bible.

(1)Worshipping Mary and the saints. (That's a biblical nono.)
(2)Praying the rosary (jesus said not to recite prayers over and over, but to mean them.)
(3)Adding to the word of God. (Biblical nono.) (Mormons also do this)
(4)The pope is not infallible or without sin.

There's a whole lot more, but my big problem with Catholicism are those. There are a whole bunch of websites that will list hundreds of things Catholics do that is not in the bible, and it's because they don't follow it word for word.

I think that's wrong.

xoxoxoBruce 06-06-2004 01:52 PM
Keep in mind the old testement and it's bearing on us, other than background information, is moot. It was a covenant with the Jews, which was broken, so God started all over again with Jesus and the new testement.
Even if God inspired the bible to be written through his agents, it's been translated so many times, who knows what it said originally. And if God guided the translations, there wouldn't be so many conflicting versions.;)

OnyxCougar 06-06-2004 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by sycamore
Priests/ministers/reverends/whatever
Where did they get their information? How do you know it's accurately been handed down for 2000 years with no mistakes?

It's in the bible. Come on, Syc, you know very well that verbal communication changes from one person to another....

elSicomoro 06-06-2004 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by OnyxCougar
Where did they get their information?
It all goes back to St. Peter, who rolled with JC.

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How do you know it's accurately been handed down for 2000 years with no mistakes?
I don't...keep in mind that I'm not a Christian, so it's not about me.

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Come on, Syc, you know very well that verbal communication changes from one person to another....
Exactly.

What's your point?

OnyxCougar 06-06-2004 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Keep in mind the old testement and it's bearing on us, other than background information, is moot. It was a covenant with the Jews, which was broken, so God started all over again with Jesus and the new testement.
Even if God inspired the bible to be written through his agents, it's been translated so many times, who knows what it said originally. And if God guided the translations, there wouldn't be so many conflicting versions.;)
Which was my main problem with the Bible to start with.
This is a link regarding the irreancy of scripture

This is a link regarding all the different copies

This is a link about why there are different translations.

OnyxCougar 06-06-2004 02:02 PM
My point is: God wants people to come to Him through Jesus' sacrifice, and he had it all written down so that fallible humans couldn't mess up what the rules were, or what we needed to know, due to what gets lost in purely oral tradition.

elSicomoro 06-06-2004 02:03 PM
Maybe...but no one can say for certain.


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