I don't. But an America lead by those who even think there is 'good' and 'evil' simply get us in anti-American wars such as Vietnam and Iraq. There are perspectives. It goes right to the purpose of war and a world full of perspectives. A great America saw a world of perspective and was tolerant. An America that views in terms of 'good' and 'evil' will even insist we can impose democracy on all others - whether they want it or not.

Bombing of the Sudan factory is classic of one who assumes evil - and then reacts based upon zero resonsible evidence. Military action demands a smoking gun. The concept is even demonstrated by Sze Tzu in 500 BC. No smoking gun existed in Sudan.

Welcome to Vietnam and welcome to the mythical reason for 'Pearl Harboring' Iraq.

One final point that others have read previously (as a newcomer, you would not). We are all still here because Kennedy forcefully challenged the 'big dics' who viewed the world in 'good' and 'evil' terms. As a result, the world was not destroyed during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Yes we came that close to total nuclear war over something that was only a 'world of perspectives' - made so dangerous because both sides had too many 'big dic' advocates in positions of power.

Appreciate why so many in the past four months have finally learned what should have been obvious four years ago. Appreciate why the Iraq war was clearly deja vue Vietnam.

Iraq is clearly deja vue Vietnam? In Vietnam the NVA and VietCong were tough enough to actually fight us, to commit to seizing and holding stategic positions. The only way Vietnam can be comparable to Iraq is if America cuts and runs from a fight because the mass of Americans are too weak and ignorant to fight a war. Personally I am against the Iraq war on the basis that Arabs can not have a democracy, nor do they deserve freedom paid for in Christian blood. That does not mean that I did not go down to the Recruiting Center yesterday and discuss my enlistment options in the Reserve. Because I was not born in America I take pride in being an American, perhaps patriotism should be something you should look into.

Geee...looks like UG has a new friend. :)

Who's UG?

Another cellar dwellar. You'll find heaps of posts from him in the politics thread. Very right wing kinda bloke.

I *think* he lives in LA too. What is it with righties on the left coast?

They're confused? lol

I am not a Republican, and in many issues not even conservative. I'm a Theocrat, I believe in things like Christian Socialism from what can be called the left and the abolishment of a National State from the right.

I couldn't explain to you why I live in California either. I hate this state, too hot for a thick skinned German like myself, and even though I was born in a Communist country I disagree almost on very topic with the native Californians

In another thread you show guilt for your family's role in helping Hitler come to power. In this thread you promote patriotism. Don't you know that Hitler relied heavily on patriotism as a tool to gain power? Didn't you learn the lesson of Hitler?

So you believe the church should have more power over how a society lives?

Hitler relied on the Prussians to get him into power, as every German leader before him had. Without our support no one rose to power above a state level in Germany. There is also a difference between blind patriotism and patriotism

I live next to King of Prussia, Pennsylvania.

I believe that the Church should take over Welfare duties and maintain a Nation's Armed Forces, as well as legal dealings and a high court. The Sectual State exists to educate, build public works, and maintain order.

Sure, but the line between the two can be blurry.