Why doesn't the media comment about the Egyptian occupation of Gaza?
The influx of over 200,000 refugees into Gaza during the 1948 war resulted in a dramatic decrease in the standard of living. Because the Egyptian government restricted movement to and from the Gaza Strip, its inhabitants could not look elsewhere for gainful employment. In 1955, one observer (a member of the United Nations Secretariat) noted that "For all practical purposes it would be true to say that for the last six years in Gaza over 300,000 povertystricken people have been physically confined to an area the size of a large city park." Baster, James, "Economic Problems in the Gaza Strip," Middle East Journal, Vol. 9, No. 3 (Summer, 1955), pp. 323–327. It appears Egypt, not Israel, created the Palestinian dilemma. Egypt continues to block Palestinian access through it's border. Consider me biased. I will never bear arms against Israel. |
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Attachment 48923 But I don't see anywhere that supports your claim that women outnumber men three to one. The data I've seen show the ratio to be practically one to one. Most of the casualties are in the middle of the age range, but there's plenty of spillover into either end. If the bombs and guns and missiles used by Israel are ....... Let me restart. I think it's clear from the body count on the Gazan side that Israel isn't being too careful who they hit--whatever the reason may be, sloppy, careless, accidental, aggressive, indiscriminate or intentional--whatever. There is no acceptable reason for 109 kids under the age of 10 to be killed. That makes me sick. That makes me sad. |
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That is their expectation. And since the creation of Israel in 1948, we (meaning the rest of the civilized world) have a responsibility to make sure that happens. But somewhere down the road, Europe begged off its part of that responsibility. It was actually at that point that the American dollars began to arrive. Once all of Arabia waged war on Israel and it was uncertain whether the Jews would survive, the US collectively said we better help out here. And that was with all the support and involvement of the American left, to the point where the anticipated Democratic Presidential candidate (RFK) was assassinated in the first act of Arabic terrorism on US shores. that's how I see it anyway, i could be wrong |
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That is one reason why there is a tremendous difference in body counts. In Syria, the UN is saying there are 191,000 dead so far. In Gaza there are about 2,000. It's all very sickening and saddening - because we are western, we agree that every death is sickening and saddening. There's no need to say it. But we want to minimize deaths. Israel believes that too. But as long as the Arab world believes what it believes, it will be hard to do that without any deaths at all. I am so sorry that I just blather on and on. There is something wrong with me. |
Logorrhea. :blah:
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Gentleman - The civilian to combatant casualty ratio in Gaza seems to be one of the best on record. Check out the ratios for Iraq, Afghanistan, or Vietnam. You seem to forget that this is asymmetric warfare which always has higher ratios than a conventional war. The cry about the death of 109 children is nothing. Hell, I'm probably responsible for more than that when I ran a targeting cell. It is the nature of the game when they have human shields. Grow a set of stones and quit whining about the little stuff.
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For every 30 dead Palestiniians, only one Israeli dies. That is bad. Yesterday, big news was one Israeli child died. Where was the report that said four Palestinians children also died that same day? Peter Jenning was very blunt about this. We Americans do not get balanced reporting from both sides. In this latest conflict, four Israeli children have been killed. In the meantime, about 500 Palestinian children have been killed. Why is that good? Racist? Even the UN has cited Israel for bombing or shelling locations they were told repeatedly (in one case 17 times) as UN safe zones. Unfortunately, too many want to paint all Israelis and Palestinians in the same color. Most in Gaza were not Hamas and were not supporters of Hamas. They regarded Hamas as occupiers. If Israel really wanted to end this conflict, then their strategy is to separate Hamas from the rest of Gaza residents. But Likud is an extremist organization. To increase power to extremists, make it impossible for moderates to exist. And so Israel makes no distinction between Hamas and any other Palestinian. They routinely kill or maim any Palestinian since that increases support for extremists - makes peace all but impossible. If you do not separate Likud from other Israelis, then you have played right into the propaganda of extremism. Again, a Saudi foreign minister said how to eliminate the problem. Ignore Hamas. Negotiate with moderates and others who are the only hope of peace. That is obvious to anyone who really learned from history in general and history of this region in particular. But that means Likud may see another event similar to what happened in the Sinai. Likud was very clear about this. Never again. Their extremist agenda is obvious. God gave them the West Bank. It is only time before Israel takes it all as god has decreed. That is extremist rhetoric. No way around that reality. |
TW, God did not give Israel the West Bank. They captured it from Jordan in 1967. After the Arab-Israeli War. Remember that? And ever since, attacks have been launched from there and other places against Israel. Infiltration tunnels have been dug.
Israel has tried many times to avoid civilian death. It is Hamas who hides behind and among civilians in order to cause civilian death and injury and thus garner worldwide condemnation against Israel. The UN is merely a tool used by Hamas to attack their sworn enemy. One of many. Hamas hides rockets in UN schools making them legitimate Israeli targets. Therefore, such attacks are NOT a war crime. The party committing war crimes here is Hamas, not Israel. Hamas deliberately targets Israeli civilians yet the international community remains silent and unseeing. How is THAT *not* a war crime? You did get one thing right though. Americans are NOT getting to see honest, unbiased news coverage of the events there. |
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Netanyahu is an expert at torpedoing every peace process. He plays along until he has some trivial excuse for undermining peace. For the same reason why Sharon intentionally restarted the Intafada. Like Sharon, Netanyahu needs violence and hate to keep the people (Palestinians and Jews) from becoming too moderate. Otherwise peace might happen. Then Israel cannot confiscate the West Bank - as god promised. If not blaming Likud equally with Hamas, then you are not moderate and are in denial. Likud openly called for and assassinated Yitzhak Rabin because he attempted peace with Arab nations. Likud is still smarting from a peace treaty with Egypt and the resulting removal of their Sinai settlements. Likud has long been quite clear about this. Never again. Likud extremists called for and got the murder of Rabin. Anything that might undermine stealing of West Bank land must be evil. Anyone who can torpedo every peace process is a perfect extremist Likud leader. If grasping reality rather than propaganda, then you know Hamas rockets cannot target anything. And so only 30 Israelis and 2000 Palestinians die. Unlike in Israel, Israel also destroyed most everything Palestinians need to survive including the power plant and desalination plants. And a seven year embargo on anything necessary to have a minimal standard of living. Meanwhile, Israel has lots of new holes in farmland and deserts. Extremist Jews need that embargo and targeted destruction to push moderate Palestinians into the ranks of wacko extremist Hamas. That empowers Likud and justified West Bank land theft. I don't expect to see logical replies. You have demonstrated only Likud extremist rhetoric. Your posts define all Palestinians are evil and all Jews are good. That alone says you are incapable of thinking like a moderate. I never expect you to admit Likud is as evil as Hamas because Likud propaganda has you completely brainwashed. You have a choice. And I did this intentionally. First, you will become emotional and angry as an extremist. Or second, you will see the conflict equally from both sides. That second option would have to be a miracle. Israel could easily separate moderate Palestinians from extremists. But that would undermine Likud. A moderate could see that. But having challenged your emotions, I don’t expect you to respond as a moderate. I don’t expect you to see what could have undermined all this violence. That requires analysis as a moderate. Moderates see extremists on both sides as complicit to and encouraging of this violence. Extrtemists even deny moderates might exist. |
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The obvious solution is for all Palestinians to convert to Christianity so the West will support them and Israel will leave them alone.
That was easy, maybe next weekend I'll reunite North and South Korea. |
Nah: they'd have to change their ethnicity too. No way will the West ever fully empathise with Arabs.
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