Meh, fuck 'em.

Before they fuck you, if possible.

There certainly is

Who, hired by whom, the pundits and talk radio hosts. He saying just because they are on your side of an issue doesn't mean they aren't twisting the truth to flat out lying. Don't listen to them at all.

Yes, it's a bad thing, because it's rhetoric from a paid shill and will be received with a negative attitude from the getgo. No possible chance of anyone opposing that position even listening no less thinking about what's said.
Give me a break, the elected politicians are NOT our leaders. Who the fuck would follow some clown in Washington who's owned by abc or xyz corporation, or maybe Koch or Soros. Our leaders are those pundits and broadcasters people actually listen to... and believe.

They do, I've never heard that. Everyone is being used by a employer, customer, spouse, kids, sometimes willingly, often not.
I'm not surprised you feel that way since you didn't get it.

NO NO NO, it's not love your enemies. It's who are your enemies. Just because you disagree with someone about... say the height of a proposed flagpole, doesn't automatically mean you don't agree on what flag to fly.
Disagreeing with somebody does not make them your enemy, and that's what's happening. We're being played, both sides are being played and they're doing it by convincing you that the other guy is an enemy. He may be, but you shouldn't make that assumption.

You sound like any person I've ever met who backed a loser.

YOU start doing what that quoted paragraph advocates and we'll go from there. I'm not seeing it in your responses.

From the NY Times Opinion: We wasted almost 5000 servicemen in Iraq on outright and intentional lies. Lies that were rhetoric. Facts (and numbers) exposed those lies. But extremists do not want reasons why. Extremists want to be told how to think. Peddlers easily manipulate the emotional naive.

An extremists is ordered what to think. He will deny anything that disputes rhetoric. A moderate learns facts. Then later comes to a conclusion. How to disagree better? Only become and listen to moderates.

With so many shrills and talk show hosts only pushing the "message of the day", we now have a severe shortage of moderates.

Extremists will not even discuss (admit to) moderates. Since the existence of a moderate quickly defines an extremist. Right wing extremists conclude anyone who disagrees must be a left wing extremist. That way, an extremist need not learn anything. Can ignore all facts to protect emotions. Then turns all discussion into cheapshots and personal insults.

An extremists is an adult who is still a child. He uses a reptilian brain to feel his superiority and righteousness.

We know the Catholic Church has protected - all but promoted - pedophilia. How many are so brainwashed by religion as to deny that reality for so many generations? Even a Pope's closest advisor (from the Philippines) had to be convicted by a secular government - using facts that church always possessed - before the Pope would even consider this pedophile. Another example of an extremist. Facts intentionally ignored for an extremist agenda.

It took how many reams of facts over how many generations to get extremists to even admit the problem exists? First in Boston and then in Philadelphia, how many decades ago? Extremists still refuse to change laws (even in Pennsylvania where so much Catholic Church protected pedophilia was exposed how many times?). Extremists in PA protect pedophiles by obstructing prosecution. That is their decision based only in emotions. They deny facts to protect their rhetoric and emotional beliefs. Classic examples of an extremist. Moderates, instead, learn facts long before letting their emotional (repilitian) brain make any conclusions.

We disagree better only when facts are not intentionally ignored to make a conclusion. How many so hated America as to even believe intentional lies - that Saddam attacked the WTC? How many so hate well understood facts to claim the US government destroyed the WTC? How many are so emotional as to still know vaccines cause autism - because some blond bimbo lied and said it was true. All examples of what drives an extremist - and the resulting confrontations in places like Charlotteville NC, Rwanda and Burundi.

Moderates learn facts before making a conclusion. Wacko extremists knew Saddam had WMD only because liars even 'sexed up' the rhetoric. Extremism is predicated by conclusion generated by emotions - by even ignoring facts - ie climate change or genetically improved foods.

Emotion works when one is an extremist. Extremists subvert 'how to disagree' better. Even deny the existence of moderates to impose emotions (ie insults) into honest discussion.

Well you should've said all this before … you could've changed the world by now. Information isn't useful unless it's timely. Next time, speak up sooner!

You've got that friend or foe military mindset, fer me or agin me. That's exactly why we have the split we do now. We have to be more flexible. Canada is a friend and ally, Israel is an ally but not a friend. We can work with both.

Your fellow Americans fall into probably dozens or more slots, and likely none you don't have something in common with. I'm not suggesting you go to Idaho and make friends with the survivalists, or Frisco and hang with the hippies/hipsters, or whatever is cool now. But for christs sake people you were friends with before this shit started shouldn't be written off as the enemy over one or two issues.

I specialized in unconventional warfare. I can work with friend or foe to accomplish the objective of supporting and defending the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. All it takes is one issue of sufficient magnitude; but, it could be the cumulative affect of multiple issues of lesser magnitude.

It seems that tw agrees with you which is irrefutable evidence that your position has no merit whatsoever.

OMG, I'm so sorry, I'll change my position immediately. :o

Thanks for the offer; but, I don't swing that way.

An extremist: interprets using emotions. Same mentality that so hated 5000 American servicemen as to believe Saddam had WMDs - because extremist inspired and 'sexed up' conclusions said he must.

Who did Hitler target for support? People who view the world in terms of that friend or foe military mindset. Conclusions derived from a reptilian thought pattern.

Moderates see the world in perspectives. So moderates can make successful leaders. An extremist sees evil hiding everywhere. The Timothy McVeigh mindset. A big dic mentality characteristic of extremists.

Of course you will deny all this. Your conclusions are predictable. Consistent with the Fox News, Hannity, and Trump propaganda where hate (KKK, Nazis, White Supremacists) concepts are respected and condoned. Where comments are justified by cheapshots and insults. By attacking moderates as if lefty communist rather than discuss the topic.

Extremists are incapable of understanding even major differences between a socialist and a communist. Since that also requires ignoring extremists propaganda. Same extremists rhetoric that wasted 50,000 American lives in Vietnam. And still deny "we have met the enemy and he was us."

Not now tw, we've got Shababs on the grill and we're getting ready to feast. Go play in your room.

quoted for emphasis

quoted for perspective

Quoted for no good reason.

:p:

The Unique Geometric Patterns of Coastal Barcelona

Pics thereof.

Fans of Public Radio Stations might want to look up schedules at public radio fan dot com.

A fascinating read. The Day the Dinosaurs Died
A young paleontologist may have discovered a record of the most significant event in the history of life on Earth.

If you have a few minutes I'd highly recommend this story of Dr Seuss and Hans Conried making a movie.


If you don't have time... Make Time, Dammit.

You're very kind, Bruce. :)

It's a great article but then I'm bias, Dr Suess came from up home.

In Greyhound racing nobody likes a cheater, but everyone enjoyed a Cheetah.
Somebody did a lot of digging to uncover this story.

"Somebody" had a subscription to the British Newspaper Archives. :)

I know how much time it takes to do a piddling couple of paragraphs, can't imagine researching and composing a great story like that one.
I get the impression that domestic cats came from Cheetahs. The way they take to some people and ignore others, and rather than a go for the throat attack, they just reach out and cut you when you don't expect it. No muss, no fuss, tag you're it.

Photographer Visits Famous Tourist Spots, Faces The Wrong Direction…

I found it kind of interesting. Going to famous landmarks, and looking the other direction. Unless you've been there, ya don't ever see what's behind the photographer.

Washington Post


The Ex-Im Bank loans money, your tax money, to promote business.
The borrowers;
#1 PEMEX Oil owned by the government of Mexico - $7 Billion.
#2 Emirates Airlines owned by the government of Dubai - $3.34 Billion.
#3 State-owned Kenya Airways.
#4 State-owned Air China.
#5 Russia’s state-owned bank VEB.
#6 Roy Hill mining, owned by Australia’s richest woman, a multibillionaire.

All the Democrats, and most of the Republicans voted to continue the Im-Ex Bank.

ƒucking LOVE IT. bookmarked. fascinating, to see that these are real, regular places

To be fair, the loans are contingent on them using the money to buy US products. So the money still primarily goes to large corporations, but US ones.

How in the hell does Dufuckingbai need to borrow money from anyone?:eyebrow:

We're bribing them to buy US planes instead of Airbus.

Sounds like an anticipation of loss.

I know where there's a shit load of 737 MAXs for sale. Cheap.

Bribing? Surely not. ;)

I think such payments are known as 'commissions' in the Middle East.

From the NY Times:

Link

ETA Have a look at the 'Corruption allegations' section of this Wiki article:

Link

Pics from inside an BDSM adult movie studio

Outside of a juggy, trussed up statue, it's surprisingly safe for work.

YMMV

Tiny Vehicles Made From Watch Parts

I thought I had too much time on my hands...Good God.

Ah, Grav found pics of the old kink.com studios, while they were moving locations.
I have seen most of those sets in one video or another. Interesting to see them minus the "stuff" and performers.

I discovered the website of the New England Historical Society and was surprised it's loaded with short quick reads on historical New England.
I discovered the Cod Fish started the revolutionary war. One of the top 25 worst US tornados was in Worcester MA. The Scots-Irish immigrants, were really Scots who moved to Ireland for 60 or 70 years then came to the US, kept MA from takeing over NH.

http://www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/

So, I'm watching the folks @ JPL build the Mars 2020 rover, LIVE...

...and I can't help thinking it looks like nothing if not a Daft Punk concert, especially when the two workers are side-by-side at the cart on screen right.

I make me laugh sometimes.:D

How Will The Internet Influence Democracy?

https://www.edge.org/response-detail/11618

Part of a group of essays, from the year 2000, on "What is today's most important unreported story?"

It's fascinating, because they are mostly wrong. People wrote about what they knew, what they figured was important.

Nobody wrote about Islamic terrorism, and nobody wrote about the weird financial instruments being created to game the financial system. Nobody wrote that the Internet was about to end half of retail. Nobody wrote that fracking was about to wildly change the game on energy and the US would become energy-independent. Nobody wrote about the rise of China, or the drop in global absolute poverty.

John Gilmore got it the closest with "The World Isn't Going to Hell".

Rheingold got it mostly right, and I enjoyed this, "While all eyes are on e-commerce, relatively few know about public opinion BBSs, cause-related marketing, web-accessible voting and finance data."

Public opinion BBSes are about to take over! Everybody get ready!

Okay we'll just say the Cellar was a first shot at it while social media found its legs.

Opening salvo...

They turned the wheels.

And I missed it.:smack:

How Will The Internet Influence Democracy?

Your Surgeon’s Childhood Hobbies May Affect Your Health

It'll all be done by robots soon anyway...

OR, stop all surgery and just grind them up for Soylent Green.

If you have an interest in WW II aircraft nose art you can download an epdf of the B-17 Nose Art Name Directory.

Pages 7 to 48 + 65 to 91 list the name, group, squadron, and serial#, about 125 per page.
I'm amazed how many repeats there are, for instance 11 Umbriago, 12 Stinky(jr), 17 Queenie, 11 Old Ironsides, 17 Liberty Bell(e), 12 Impatient Virgin, 12 Fearless Fosdick, 16 Boomerang, 14 Bad Penny. I didn't even try to count the ones starting with Texas, Big, or Heaven.

There's about 15 pages of photographs but they are very poor quality.

Ah, this photographer and my wife indeed has something in common, whether I like it or not.

At this link you will find the 256 page, 63 MB, NASA Apollo 11 Press kit.

At the same location is the Apollo 11 Press Kits for 41 of the Apollo 11 contractors.

Such a wonderful part of history. Will check out both links. Thanks!

The FCC has a website that explains the different types of telephone scams and what they're called. They only list about 56 of them. :rolleyes:

https://www.fcc.gov/scam-glossary

This website examines the differences in land usage in EU countries between 1900 and 2010. You can zoom in if you like.

http://www.geo-informatie.nl/fuchs003/

(Too busy; didn't visit: since 1900, changes in agriculture have meant that a smaller amount of land is needed to feed everyone. Forest land has taken over abandoned crop land, and with the increase in CO2, has taken off growing. People's concentration in urban areas has helped permit that to happen.)

That means they're using more Soylent Green supplement. ;)

BoredPanda has 30 [of the] Worst Advertising Slogans And Taglines

No way, just no way, some of these are/were real.:lol2:

This the first one:

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^^^ Be sure to read this.^^^

They're hilarious.

I just spent the last way-too-damn-long on a thread about Words/Phrases Your Grandparents Used. Fun waste of time.

A very interesting analysis of why the Nazi War Machine was a myth. Why when they failed to subdue Russia and take over their resources for materials and production on the first try, Germany was doomed to failure. It gives the production numbers of the war materiels for the axis and allies.

https://notesonliberty.com/2019/11/0...i-war-machine/

Very Interesting.

The sexual adventures of the Smurfs. No pictures just text, but R rated I guess.

Let me guess...

Someone blue their load?

:jig:

This guy is a pharmacist in Canada with a masters in molecular genetics.
His passion is dispelling myths and banishing pseudoscience, separating truth, lies, and what we don't know one way or the other yet, using text and home-drawn cartoons.

That's good stuff. Thanks.

I just read a very interesting article on this doctor, James DeLine, that works with the Amish (called The Plain People) in Wisconsin.

It's a really interesting read. 10-15 minutes.