Ahhh! Yes, yes, now I see... What are we looking at?

I don't agree. Again, spent my life with guns. Had jobs where my profession was to wield one to protect property and life and where I had to have one to protect my own life, sometimes regularly.
However, as always, the gun was and is, JUST AS TOOL.
So many try to anthropomorphize these hunks of metal or make-up terrible scenarios with them... all of which are true of prescription drugs (which fit all the troll's listed hypochondriac scenarios above), chemicals that can be made into explosives, cars or anything else that can be misused.
It is very simple, no matter how complicated people try to make it... guns are a tool. If you don't like them, don't buy one... easy.
If you don't like freedom, move to a society that is not free and graze with the other sheep.
When you are being shot at, and I have been a couple of times, all you want to do is protect yourself, and all you can do is shoot back... with a gun.
No one can outrun a bullet.

I have never joined the NRA, I don't agree with their tactics, language or lobbying techniques. Just because I agree with the right to own a gun... I don't think everyone should have one or anyone should be able to get one as easily as they want it to be able to happen.

Funny how using your own words against you makes ME the troll...

Well, that's exactly what I think too, so what are we arguing about?

Semantics. As usual.
I do think that everyone who is not a felon or violent criminal should be able to own one. I think you should have to buy it in person and a five day waiting period for handguns is more than enough. I think that concealed carry should be legal in all states.
You probably have problems with some of those.

Yeah. But I'm tired of the gun threads.

me too

I'm a Fascist
 

What is it with you gun people? You take any commentary about negative or peculiar attributes regarding gun owners as some kind of attack on the 2nd Amendment. I"ve NEVER advocated banning guns or revoking that amendment. Secondly, I never said anything about most gun owners buying assault weapons, I only commented on the people (and there must be a lot of them) who buy the glossy gun magazines, which do concentrate on the latest super-guns. One does not have to be an "expert" on guns or anything else to notice that America is a land of guns and gun fanatics. Just read this thread. You can almost feel that "my cold dead hands" mentality when reading the posts. How the hell does making some comments about gun owners make me a "fascist," or make those comments an "imposition." Are you that insecure. Maybe you should get a gun.

"..to impose your narrow minded views on other free thinkers in this nation built on tolerance and freedom."

You are so self-contradictory it's sad. What would you call this BBS? A place to express free speech, perhaps? And I'm not so myopic to believe that this nation was built on "tolerance and freedom." You really believe that? I think guns, ironically, had a lot to do with building this nation, and not in the most honest or ethical ways.

I've held guns, I've shot guns, and I've lived in some very dangerous places, but I've never felt a real "need" to own one. Sure, people don't "need" a lot of things that they own or enjoy, but must guns have been and continue to be made to do one thing only, and that is to kill. Sure, you can "use" a rock to kill someone too, but guns are MADE to kill.

I think fascists use guns too.

Someone decided that they disapproved of us and they won't shut up about it.

I don't approve or disapprove of anyone. I just make observations.

"What is it with you gun people?" That is way too broad a brush. My ire was raised by the person who implied, simply because of my observations, that I was a fascist. Kooks abound on both sides of this issue. Fanatics can be gun owners or vegans, or perhaps even gun-owning vegans. Whatev. My intent is not to vilify all gun-owners, only point to how extreme some can be, especially in this country (or perhaps Darfur). I suppose that's an easy target. Sorry to offend the responsible ones.

One little story:

There were two times I killed a living thing with a gun. The first was when, like many young males, I just had to have a BB gun. When I got one, I shot at cans in the back yard. Then, when doing so, I saw some movement in the trees. It was a cute little Chickadee. Almost as if some switch went off in my head, I pointed the gun at the little bird and pulled the trigger. It fell to the ground and started fluttering around in obvious distress. I was beside myself with guilt, and couldn't stand watching the little bird suffer. I crushed it with my foot as hard as I could. Put it, I still hope, out of its misery. That sucked.

The second time was when the guy across the street (this is Alabama, mind you, and I was from Massachusetts) assumed that I was not getting a proper upbringing by my father because he (my father) did not drive a pickup truck. He took me hunting for squirrel of all things. He pointed to some motion in the tree and told me to shoot. I did. It fell, but got caught in the cleavage of some branch. He shot at it about 4 times to dislodge it. It fell to the ground. He cooked it. It was full of shot; and the whole experience was full of shit.

I figured out a good way to put how I feel about it a little while ago...

I'm just as firmly against guns as I am against gun control. I hate that they exist, I hate that people have them, I hate guns in general, but I wouldnt say that someone couldnt have them unless there was a damn good reason, either.

Yes, I have. Just not what you wanted to hear, so you have remained deaf.
So now it's about me shooting *you*? Are you a burglar? No wonder you want to know what I'll do.

I told you the law would guide my behavior, so "laws can't keep you from shooting me" is just plain wrong.
Yes, you can.

The law (you would know this if you would actually READ it) is about justfication and the use of deadly force. Doesn't say a word about guns specifically...could be a knife, a bludgeon, your hands around someone's throat.

You *do* have to care about the law, because it's not about weapons, it's about behavior and responsibility.

Isn't this thread about guns though?

So you're projecting your own poor impulse control on gun owners? Wow...you need to spend some time reading Dr. Sarah

No, you see, this particular object actually takes control of the human mind.
Have you ever heard of someone who isn't holding a gun shooting something with a gun?

:::taps foot:::

Right, case closed.

What...don't finger guns count? I've shot lots of them before.

Yeah, that was just a snide comment, not directed at you in particular.

I did that as a kid. It felt horrible. If it's any consolation, birds don't have a huge capacity for recognizing pain.

That one's funny to me, sorry. :lol: I'm thinking that Field & Stream won't be accepting your submission any time soon, however.

Then I sandbag you yet again, Spexx, as your latest challenge fails before superior, clearer, more moral thought:

I shoot when someone must stop what he* is doing or innocents bleed or die.

This is both the moral and the legal answer.

Jay-zus, Spexx, pushover much? Or are you simply being an expository advocatus diaboli?



* (nothing gender-specific here, just a respect for the rhythms of the language)

Impulse Control
 

I was 10.

I get the impression that you are, or think you are, perfect. Maybe your are.

Your good impulse control must be fun at parties.

Squirrel vs. Chickadee
 

Yeah. In retrospect it is funny. At the time I felt it was just plain stupid, and I did not feel as bad as I did with the Chickadee; especially since the latter is the State Bird of where I grew up before moving to Alabama.