Now I get it. TW is like Spock, but without the pon farr.

The 'without' part was not intentional. I just don't like internet sex.

A quick post. I hope to digest tw's info and be more informed to post a better answer later. Let me say this: as an echo of Thomas Friedman's article--tw is an excuse maker. He makes up excuses for the terrorists. Blowing up civilians is not ok. tw-- I still don't believe your olive branch.

Again, personal biases are being imposed upon what I wrote. Again, show me where I said once that blowing up civilians is ok.

However this is the point I made .... repeatedly. An enemy is not defeated and terrorism does not stop without first understanding what, who, and why they are AND without first learning their perspective. Force upon terrorism does not stop terrorism; as Israel, et al demonstrate. The death knell to terrorism begins by understanding why it exists and eliminating the reason for its existence.

Again, don't read what I did not specifically write. There was no olive branch. I don't do olive branches. That would be emotional nonsense. I simply have repeated what was posted previously. That is not an olive branch. That may be a restatement. But it is not an olive branch. I have nothing to apologize for. Others are simply reading into my post what I specifically did not say ... ie I never once said blowing up civilians is OK. Apparently you read something I did not write.

Learn why the terrorism exists - or be doomed to learn the Vietnam lessons all over again.

Marichiko, first get two awards of the Navy Expeditionary Medal, one of which awards I received for service in support of when the Iranian hostage rescue mission went flop back in 1980.

Then perhaps you can try twitting me.

This is a war that must be won. Marichiko outs herself as a stone fascist objecting to our fight against tyrannies in this quite uncalled-for snarky fashion. Being into human liberty, I am as far above the fascists, freedom-haters, and fellow travelers for unfree societies as the summit of Everest is above the abyssal plains. Saddam-loving, Western-civilization-hating hemipygian drool-punks f!ck off. Seventeen times. You are a pack of losers.

Thank you for your lucid and reasoned contributions to the debate. It must be quite satisfacory to sit up there on the Everest of ego while you watch the "losers" below slug it out. If you'll excuse me, I think they're calling me for goose step practice now. :rolleyes:

jesus with that level of understanding its no wonder that little mission went awry. which tyrannies exactly? the ones you prop up in egypt, uzbekistan and saudi? Maybe you're against the one in Iran, a direct result of US interference. Or it the liberty of white men to dominate the world's resources at the expense of everyone else that you care about so deeply? Guess what jackass, you, your lifestyle, your mindset and your career are part of the problem, not the solution, so why don't you pack your six-shooter and giddy on up the fuck over to afghanistan and bag yourself some towelheads, we haven't had a good on-air grovelling decapatitation for a while.

:beer: urbane guerrilla.

you know you aren't going to win this argument, though. your opponents don't accept any position that isn't anti-US. before opening your big mouth in the future, make sure your argument is based on the following suppositions:

(1) No religion is extreme except Christianity (as practiced by whitey)*

(2) All conflicts are, directly or indirectly, caused by the USA.

(3) Because of (2), if we are attacked, we are NOT to respond. We are to humbly cast our gaze upon the poor, pillaged Earth that our white people ruined, and try to understand why our enemies are so mad at us. Once we've determined our error, we must (humbly) beseech the United Nations to intervene on our behalf and determine what measures we must take to ensure that the offended party will no longer have reason to hate us.

(4) jaguar is a pinko, so even if you abide by points 1-3, you're still wrong. Your only recourse is to say 8 Hail Karls while masturbating furiously over a burning American flag.

* — Blacks are allowed by libs to be Christian, because they are better at singing gospel music (vocal ad-libs, matchy robes, swaying), and because Martin Luther King was a preacher.

Actually, Mr. Noodle, only poor black folks are allowed to be Christian. We concede this to them as part of our liberal guilt. Black folks who are part of the middle class we don't feel guilty over, and they are not allowed to be Christian, either.

All conflicts are completely the fault of the USA - no indirect about it. The US is wrong every time. It was even wrong to shoot back at Pearl Harbour since this was an example of prejudice against the Japanese. We should have been nicer to them.

We should never beg the UN for help. Its all our fault and we should accept the consequences of our evil Americaness.

Jag is a commie and so am I - oh no, wait - I'm the facist.

Just wanted to clarify for you before I start my daily morning flag burning. :p

marichiko - your writing style and tone is pretty different from the past. has there been some significant breakthrough in your condition?

I'm getting medical treatment and voc rehab, Lookout. I'm proving those doctors wrong and growing new neural passageways or synapses or something. Yea, me! I'm volunteering as an advocate for the disabled in my area and getting in some part time hours at a job through the Ticket to Work Program. I WILL get completely off SSDI! YES!

MrNoodle, thanks for the kind support.

Jaguar is simply incapable of winning an argument with me, anyway -- as a pinko, he is condemned to being half-bright at best. Any sympathy for collectivist totalitarianism is as wrong as it is inhuman, and to the degree Jag suffers from these, he is wrong, and inhuman. Note that he cannot make headway with me on the merits of the matter; it's instant ad hominem, the last resort of the debater with nothing left where his ideas should be. Something Jaguar forgets is that I do not accept anti-American views and will always torment those who hold them, for generally they hold them out of perversity, depravity, and a disregard for human liberty -- or a selfish view of it that will not willingly extend the blessings of human liberty to Iraqis. This view of liberty is usually to be found in persons who don't get that liberty is just as good for Yusuf al-Iraqi as it is for Joe Sixpack. There will be those who yell about how the Iraqis are all worse off now that Saddam's in the last residence he'll ever occupy and the Americans and Britons among others are there. To these yawpers I say: Hey, it's a war. Wars are occasionally less comfortably than tyrannies, but wars contain the seeds of a hope things will improve. Tyrannies don't have that.

Marichiko: yes, it is immensely satisfactory. Do things to bring you up here, rather than fooling around in some less happy place, and you can enjoy it too. Dress warm; it gets windy.

The largest socialist experiment in America today is the US military.

UG, I don't understand why Saddam isn't allowed to impose his way on people but you are? :confused:

It wouldn't be satisfactory if I was hanging out up there, too, believe me. I'll just stick around down here with the rest of the trailer trash. Thanks for the offer, though. :cool: