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Griff 08-17-2008 07:38 PM
It could be a new front in the energy war.

TheMercenary 08-17-2008 07:52 PM
I really believe that as well. As countries become more populated and their needs grow over the next 50 years those countries who own the sources of power will control everything. The US, the EU, and many others will be second class consumers, a role we are becoming accustomed to more each year.

Pico and ME 08-17-2008 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 476744)
Well there you have it!

"It's Bush's Fault!"

:rolleyes:
Bush is an idiot and ...anyway, not the source. By neocons, I mean the group that surrounds him and basically pull his strings. It does seem that a lot of the people involved in our foreign policy were in the area in July. The White House is currently trying to downplay the meetings, but its hard to ignore the coincidence.

TheMercenary 08-17-2008 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Pico and ME (Post 476770)
Bush is an idiot and ...anyway, not the source. By neocons, I mean the group that surrounds him and basically pull his strings. It does seem that a lot of the people involved in our foreign policy were in the area in July. The White House is currently trying to downplay the meetings, but its hard to ignore the coincidence.
It is also easy to believe conspiracy theories when they fit your preconceived notions about what you want to believe.

piercehawkeye45 08-17-2008 10:49 PM
Hmmm.....it seems that in order for Georgia to join NATO, it can not have border and territory disputes. So, subduing SO and the other separatist territories are a must for them.

Pico and ME 08-18-2008 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 476780)
It is also easy to believe conspiracy theories when they fit your preconceived notions about what you want to believe.

What conspiracy theory are you thinking I believe in? Maybe its the same as yours. Because I believe, like you, that this could be part of the 'new' energy wars to come. But, I also believe that our incursions into Afghanistan and Iraq were too.

lookout123 08-18-2008 01:38 PM
yeah, cuz buildings falling down had nothing to do with afghanistan.

Griff 08-18-2008 03:08 PM
The world is sufficiently complicated to contain both those ideas.

TheMercenary 08-18-2008 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Pico and ME (Post 476806)
But, I also believe that our incursions into Afghanistan and Iraq were too.
That I do not believe and challenge you to prove your assertions.

TheMercenary 08-18-2008 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 476876)
The world is sufficiently complicated to contain both those ideas.
Hell if we just wanted oil we would have invaded any numerous other countries with half the armies and a shorter distance at half the cost. Canada, Mexico, Venezuela, Nigeria, yea, there is a long list. We only get about 15% of our oil from the Middle East.

Pico and ME 08-18-2008 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 476860)
yeah, cuz buildings falling down had nothing to do with Afghanistan.
Afghanistan was responsible for 9/11? Huh.


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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 476893)
That I do not believe and challenge you to prove your assertions.
My assertions are based on the research I did at the time. I discovered that there were several oil companies that needed a much calmer Afghanistan so that they could build a couple of planned pipelines. The Taliban were getting greedy and wanted a bigger cut of the action. I also discovered that Saddam was planning some sweet oil package deals with China and Russia to be set in motion once he was free of the sanctions. AND he was talking about dealing with euros instead of dollars. I cant say any of that is proof, but it sure did keep me from believing the propaganda we were given.

lookout123 08-18-2008 06:33 PM
See, there was this organization called Taliban and a guy named Osama B... oh nevermind, just straighten your tin foil hat, it'll be easier.

Pico and ME 08-18-2008 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 476899)
See, there was this organization called Taliban and a guy named Osama B... oh nevermind, just straighten your tin foil hat, it'll be easier.
I see you really really like the Kool Aid.

:eyebrow:

lookout123 08-18-2008 08:18 PM
The taste is cool, but I love when the big guy crashes through the wall. You know something else I like? Reality. Try it some time.

TheMercenary 08-18-2008 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Pico and ME (Post 476897)
Afghanistan was responsible for 9/11? Huh.




My assertions are based on the research I did at the time. I discovered that there were several oil companies that needed a much calmer Afghanistan so that they could build a couple of planned pipelines. The Taliban were getting greedy and wanted a bigger cut of the action. I also discovered that Saddam was planning some sweet oil package deals with China and Russia to be set in motion once he was free of the sanctions. AND he was talking about dealing with euros instead of dollars. I cant say any of that is proof, but it sure did keep me from believing the propaganda we were given.
You have been drinking something if you believe that crap. Let me adjust your tin foil hat for ya... Tell me you were born in 1990 or something like that so I can have some compassion for you....


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