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lookout123 06-19-2008 07:02 PM

well, this flaja character is certainly the most interesting person to pop up in quite a while.

classicman 06-19-2008 08:33 PM

flaja & radar - seem to have a lot in common. I'm surprised he hasn't chimed in here at all.

flaja 06-19-2008 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 463783)
Holy shit. Well that's an interesting take on it, flaja, it really is.

Of course, in your post you said she gave up that control when she got pregnant, not when she had sex. Do you believe women lose the right to control their bodies when they have sex?


You do know how sex works, don’t you? No one can get pregnant without sex. Even with birth control that the woman takes care of herself, she runs the risk that the method used will fail or will have long-term health consequences for her even if it is successful in preventing pregnancy.

Aliantha 06-19-2008 08:58 PM

I can't believe anyone could possibly think that a woman is giving up control of her body just because she chooses to have sex with someone. The woman makes that choice knowing the possible consequences. That's not losing control or giving up control. That's making an informed decision.

I can't believe anyone could have such antiquated ideas and still expect to be taken seriously. lol

classicman 06-19-2008 08:59 PM

What does that have to do with relinquishing control of her body?

flaja 06-19-2008 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 463814)
I can't believe anyone could possibly think that a woman is giving up control of her body just because she chooses to have sex with someone. The woman makes that choice knowing the possible consequences. That's not losing control or giving up control. That's making an informed decision.

I can't believe anyone could have such antiquated ideas and still expect to be taken seriously. lol


Putting your body at risk of disease, injury or pregnancy isn’t yielding control over it to the actions of someone else?

flaja 06-19-2008 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 463815)
What does that have to do with relinquishing control of her body?

Having sex means that a woman is giving someone else the opportunity to infect, injure or impregnate her body. By granting such an opportunity the woman is giving up control over her body.

Aliantha 06-19-2008 09:09 PM

You're not putting yourself at risk if you've made an informed decision. Having made the decision means you've considered the risks and decided that the risks are worth the reward.

Like when I go home tonight and have sex with my husband. He wont be controlling my body. I will. He'll just be pleasuring it.

classicman 06-19-2008 09:45 PM

Thanks Ali - I thought it was just me there for a bit.

Happy Monkey 06-19-2008 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flaja (Post 463817)
Having sex means that a woman is giving someone else the opportunity to infect, injure or impregnate her body. By granting such an opportunity the woman is giving up control over her body.

Walking down the street is giving someone else the opportunity to infect or injure your body.

Aliantha 06-19-2008 09:56 PM

So if I infect you with a cold, I'm taking control of your body...by flaja's reasoning of course.

Aliantha 06-19-2008 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by flaja (Post 463533)
How do you know that what I say is not true? How many people who are liberal on other issues are against abortion?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 463537)
How many people who are conservative on other issues are for abortion?

Quote:

Originally Posted by flaja (Post 463667)
Define conservative.

Do you get it now?

TheMercenary 06-19-2008 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by flaja (Post 463779)
My mother has Medicare because she is disabled and gets SSI (lupus). She has no choice but to get treatment at the local government hospital. That hospital won’t treat anybody that won’t sign a waiver whereby they specifically give up their right to sue if malpractice of any sort takes place.

Changes nothing. People on Medicare and Medicaid are the first to sue.

TheMercenary 06-19-2008 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 463799)
well, this flaja character is certainly the most interesting person to pop up in quite a while.

Radar re dux.

TheMercenary 06-19-2008 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by flaja (Post 463777)
Unless rape or incest is involved, the woman has already yielded control over her body to someone else when she got pregnant. Why should she be entitled to reclaim what she had willfully given up just because a baby is involved?

Bull crap. Well except maybe in your world. My understanding it that sex is a 50/50 relationship and a shared control, not one person "yielding control" over another. That is one whacked out line of thinking. Are you married? Do you have another relationship with a person that you "control"?


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