I worded that really badly.

We have made many great improvements in the United States but we are still a segregated country. Most schools are either a black/Latino or white school and the integrated schools are usually divided by the students.

Separate but equal is obviously something that should be avoided because it is unrealistic but ideas such as the Afro-centered schools and what not should be encouraged in my opinion.

Rest assured, you are continuing to word it badly.

So which is it, pierce? Are we too segregated, or not segregated enough?

Your line of thought via your wording seems to be flawed - that is unlike you. Based upon what you are typing - I totally disagree.

My logic is based on an idea that seems to be a paradox, that segregation can be integration.

Here are my premises for my logic:

• Separate but equal will fail and go in favor of whites
• We are two integrated for complete segregation
• We are still mostly segregated by neighborhoods and schools
• Black children perform better under black institutions
• Forcing white and black children to go to school together does not mean integration or they get the same benefit out of school

My argument is based off of these premises.

As of now, we are segregated by neighborhoods and schools. Inner city schools are mostly black and Latino, rural schools are usually whites, well off suburban schools are usually white, and not as well off suburban schools are more mixed, but a lot of times the children segregate themselves anyways. Throughout the United States, there is a disparity in education levels of whites and blacks in their respective segregated schools, and even in mixed schools, white children tend to do better than black children. To counter this, I agree with the proposals that we stop forced integration and allow the mostly black schools to become more afro-centric, run by black teachers under a black administration. This will then put more black children through high school, college, and finally higher paying and more powerful jobs. This split, while segregating, will eventually force integration on a larger level that has not been seen before in the United States. When more blacks get higher paying and powerful jobs, they will be able to move out of the cities and mostly black areas to other areas that have been formally occupied by whites, further forcing integration and tolerance. We can not completely segregate anyways, so that shouldn't be a large problem.

Though, if blacks do perform self-determination, there can be some drawbacks. First, allowing blacks to have self-determination will be a big obstacle, which can be seen through the heavy resistance to the afro-centric school in Toronto and my idea right now. Second, if blacks do become powerful and start representing a non-white agenda, there will be a power struggle and closet racists will come out of their shell because they will start to feel threatened.

That is my idea, it is obviously very controversial but could work effectively if a power struggle does not follow.

I withhold judgement because I do not understand the underlying logic - the reason 'why' - behind that conclusion. It leaves me to believe I neither understand piercehawkeyes45's conclusion nor grasp the logic in his underlying reasons.

If segregation creates a better educated black population, it also encourages a racist white one. A better educated population also raised with a 'them vs us' perspective - are they really better educated?

Most whites go to almost all white schools anyways so I don't see how it would change anything.

But I find it funny that the biggest obstacle against this is what white people think when it really doesn't affect them.

Bullshit. We all live in this world together, you can't pretend that this wouldn't affect everybody. Including hispanics and asians... and by the way, where do they go to school? Do they have their own school too? But, surely none of this would affect anybody at all.

What I find "funny" is this:
So...you've already decided that the only reason to disagree with your plan would be racism? "If you don't like it, you're a racist!"

Like, I could propose a new tax reform law, and stipulate that "If you disagree with this, it is because you are a stinking commie bastard!" ...

Doesn't really affect them? Are you high?

What is the difference between an afro-centric school and a mostly black school?

The difference is that you're a racist-ass whitey. Didn't you read that part?

shut up flint. you're just a racist who living a sheltered white life. if you were intellectually honest you would admit the best way to bring about racial harmony and equality is to separate people along racial lines and... wait... oh nevermind, that's complete bullshit.

No no, see, the point is not getting all black students into one school, it's getting them all black teachers. And obviously, they must only have mostly-white teaching staffs now because of racist hiring policies, since there is a huge demand among all teachers to be allowed to work in inner-city schools.

We should just force more black college graduates to be public school teachers.

It's worse than that, even. I think the black teachers we have aren't black enough.

They're teaching this "let's all get together and try to get along" stuff instead of a strong black agenda.

So then this is good news I guess?

ph, have you changed your opinion with regard to this issue at all after the comments above?

i highly doubt that aliantha. pierce's view of life would prevent any possible changing of ideas on the matter.