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rkzenrage 11-28-2007 06:39 PM
This is why I find statements like "you made me angry" so amusing and lacking merit.
It is simply not true.

Aliantha 11-28-2007 06:44 PM
My point is, someone doesn't have to change their POV to have been influenced by the discussion.

Stormieweather 11-28-2007 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 411482)
Sometimes, sometimes I just want interesting, scholarly, thoughtful banter, selfishly perhaps, but true.
If they are not thinking but I am, at that point, is fine with me.
Either way, it was choice on their part and I have made them think nothing. If someone changes their view on something it is because they have chosen to adopt a new POV. No one can force you to think something through casual conversation.
No, but actively listening instead of merely looking for points to refute in the other person's stance or arguing from the standpoint of convincing your opponent of your rightness might give you some new insights into or angles to the issue that hadn't occurred to you previously.

True listening is an art form. Arguing for the joy of debate is a different skill.

Stormieweather 11-28-2007 07:35 PM
Oh and Bibles in hotel rooms? Who cares?? Doesn't bother me any more than religious billboards looming in front of my face as I drive or commercials on TV.

/shrug

classicman 11-28-2007 07:39 PM
Stormie - I bow to you. :notworthy You nailed it all in two concise posts.

rkzenrage 11-29-2007 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Stormieweather (Post 411499)
No, but actively listening instead of merely looking for points to refute in the other person's stance or arguing from the standpoint of convincing your opponent of your rightness might give you some new insights into or angles to the issue that hadn't occurred to you previously.

True listening is an art form. Arguing for the joy of debate is a different skill.
Debate and arguing have nothing in common.

Perry Winkle 11-29-2007 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 411803)
Debate and arguing have nothing in common.
Besides being synonyms and similar sets of definitions, true. :right:

Urbane Guerrilla 11-29-2007 10:43 PM
Perhaps he had forensic debate in mind.

All else being equal, I rather prefer a Gideon Bible present in a hotel room I'm in than absent. Not that I give them a lot of use, it is true.


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