What caused Kitsune to hate America?

I'm not going to tell you he does; just that the antidemocracy oids do this all the time, and you know how I feel about them. I thank Kits for clarifying; this is good. However, I don't see any necessity at all for such quotemarking -- I never do it wrt the war.

Aliantha, tone also matters in inquiry -- it can come off throroughly and wrongly rhetorical.

I did say I can point you to some things to look at. This guy Barnett is one busy li'l blogger, and his site seems a pretty good introduction to what he's all about. I can't expect everyone to have read his books but I will say they are worth the reading. I'm only certain two Cellar Dwellars have read either of Barnett's books: myself and tw -- who's had less of substance to say on them than I have, and I haven't said much.

Thomas P.M. Barnett -- what I've seen of this guy's works leaves me impressed and fascinated.

Somebody has a crush on Thomas P. M. Barnett!

I can spare you a big wet kiss too, Flint! :p

I think we can find a way to keep America safe and not have to give up our honor.

I want to win, but not at all costs or with any tactic.
That is not winning.
We cannot win in Iraq, we invaded a nation that was not a threat just to steal their oil.
If we leave them with all of their natural resources in their hands... that alone is as close as we can hope to come to victory.

Rkzen, how is it that you've simply never noticed that leaving "them with all of their natural resources in their hands" is one of our policy goals, from which we've simply never swerved? Look at where the "steal their oil" idea comes from: the lunatic fringe, not the policymakers. Are you sure you should buy the product of the fever-swamps?

Wanting friendlies, not unfriendlies in control of major petroleum reserves is not "stealing their oil."

I've understood this from the beginning in April '03. How do you explain not getting it?

We have an honorless, bigoted enemy, do we not, dar? Where can you find dishonor in stymieing them, then? I cannot, and I have keen vision and no blinkers.

They held elections as we wanted, we have no room to complain about whom they elected.

I certainly have no grounds for complaint there.

Then we can leave them to it.

As with any large number of people, I'm sure that some Iraqis are honorless. We don't know that any of the prisoners are among those. As a matter of fact, we don't know for sure that any of the prisoners are enemies, since they've never had a trial.

Even should it be true, lack of honor in my enemy does not require me to give up mine.

You say 'stymie' when you mean 'torture'.

The preferred term under the new definition is "victory tickle".

lol kitsune. That's very funny.

We lost our honor and dignity in conducting this goddamn war, UG and The Mercenary. Bush can't even applaud 'successes', such as the deaths of Saddam Hussein and his sons, especially since Saddam faced his death with relatively more dignity than Bush and the neocons did in conducting this war. That's how bad this war got for America, UG and Mercenary.