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wolf 03-20-2007 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 324714)
When I worked on the ranch I drank more than that before noon.:rolleyes:

The key is that input needs to exceed output for there to be a problem ... if you're sweating or peeing out an equal volume of your intake, you'll maintain homeostasis. Too much output, too little input, dehydration. Too much input, too little output, water intoxication and your blood chemistry becomes too dilute to sustain bodily functioning.

piercehawkeye45 03-20-2007 02:18 PM

Hunglikejesus- I think this thread is identifying the negative effects of both drugs and are getting us to subconsciously wonder why one is legal and one isn't.

Also, just because one has better positive effects doesn't mean that it is also better for society. Both heroine and Advil can cause pain relief and heroine is much better at it but heroine is also much worse for society and that individual.

rkzenrage 03-20-2007 02:34 PM

Marijuana is not bad for society.

HungLikeJesus 03-20-2007 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 324734)
Hunglikejesus- I think this thread is identifying the negative effects of both drugs and are getting us to subconsciously wonder why one is legal and one isn't.

Also, just because one has better positive effects doesn't mean that it is also better for society. Both heroine and Advil can cause pain relief and heroine is much better at it but heroine is also much worse for society and that individual.

Piercehawkeye,
You are right, I should have used a smiley. I was just pointing out that question design can lead to biased poll results.

Though reviewing the original question, I noticed this:

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 323458)
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I've always felt that pot was better for the individual and society.
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What do you think?


Kitsune 03-20-2007 02:57 PM

Alcohol.

I have to ask: how frequently/how much pot do you have to smoke in order to "smoke yourself stupid"? How bad of an addict do you have to be in order to have the perpetual delayed speech, the permanent "lost" gaze, and the constant need to fill conversational gaps with "uhhhh...."?

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 323521)
Everything in moderation. That's my motto. ;)

Moderation in moderation! That's my motto.

rkzenrage 03-20-2007 03:09 PM

You cannot do permanent harm with pot, you cannot "OD" on pot, urban myths.

Spexxvet 03-20-2007 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune (Post 324744)
Alcohol.

I have to ask: how frequently/how much pot do you have to smoke in order to "smoke yourself stupid"? How bad of an addict do you have to be in order to have the perpetual delayed speech, the permanent "lost" gaze, and the constant need to fill conversational gaps with "uhhhh...."?

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Some people don't need uhhhh.... to uhhhhh... smoke at all.... to.... uhhhh..... what was the question?

Kitsune 03-20-2007 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 324748)
You cannot do permanent harm with pot, you cannot "OD" on pot, urban myths.

Possibly, although it is pretty easy to figure out who is a "heavy user" by simply watching or verbally interacting with them. It might not be permanent but there is, at the very least, an effect that lingers well beyond the intended one.

Undertoad 03-20-2007 04:10 PM

Some people simply zone out, while others are more active in thought while high. My guess is that the active people don't lose/scatter brain pathways.

elSicomoro 03-20-2007 04:20 PM

I giggle a lot and tend to pass out...ah, the good ol' days...

piercehawkeye45 03-20-2007 04:26 PM

Better of two evils maybe Hung? (not sarcastic) I really don't know because I didn't make it but I am assuming this only has to do with the negative affects of the two drugs.

Happy Monkey 03-20-2007 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune (Post 324760)
Possibly, although it is pretty easy to figure out who is a "heavy user" by simply watching or verbally interacting with them. It might not be permanent but there is, at the very least, an effect that lingers well beyond the intended one.

Sounds like cholesterol...

rkzenrage 03-20-2007 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune (Post 324760)
Possibly, although it is pretty easy to figure out who is a "heavy user" by simply watching or verbally interacting with them. It might not be permanent but there is, at the very least, an effect that lingers well beyond the intended one.

The brain has an amazing ability to heal itself even from those drugs that do harm it. Even from heavy meth use the brain will be back to normal dopamine production within a year. Marijuana does not kill brain cells or inhibit production of any hormones. If someone has retarded their social skills through isolation and lack of education you may want to lay that at the door of one aspect of their life, I put it where it truly lies, choice... unless they were born limited. Then marijuana use would not have made a difference.
As stated by another here, the larger town next to me has a city planner, someone I know, who smokes daily, and has since his teens. One of the most articulate, intelligent and outgoing men I have ever known.
The "pot-head" being created by smoking is a myth and always has been.
Hell, I have known people who were competative bodybuilders (before the days of rampant testing) who smoked before they worked out. Not a choice I would have made, but to each their own. He said it helped him to calm down and relax.

Kagen4o4 03-20-2007 05:08 PM

the people i know that smoke pot a lot cant seem to get along with people that aren't smoking.
i also know a couple of guys that love their beer and other alcohol and are highly competitive triathletes.

maybe i should be putting my thoughts in the "unpopular opinions" thread?

Toymented 03-20-2007 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 324716)
That is ridiculous, there is no equivalency.

Sorry you can't see it. Do you fear being labeled?


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